All have sinned when Adam sinned - Rom. 5:12-19

Apparently you don't understand the logic of that position because that position denies that new birth is based upon the act of the will. Hence, in babies no act of will is necessary for their salvation but they can be saved (and are saved) by pure sovereign grace according to God's good pleasure based upon Christ's role as head of his people. Where sin abounded grace did much more abound by the sovereign decree to put them to death at that appointed time (heb. 10:28). So no action by their will to obtain salvation is consistent with our position but it is not consistent with your position.

On the other hand, the logical conclusion to free willism is when babies and children die before they can understand the gospel is they go to hell because they do not exercise free will to obtain salvation because your theory demands the exercise of free will in order to be saved and babies cannot do that. Not only a very evil doctrine but a false doctrine.

 

Bible book, chapter and verse please?

 

You are dealing with two different kinds of context which have nothing to do with each other. Let me illustrate

1. Genes 1-3 is a prefallen context whereas Ezek is a post-fallen context
2. Genes 1-3 deals with ONE man/father whereas Ezek deals with all men/fathers
3. Genes 1-3 deals with ONE man as a REPRESENTATIVE for all mankind where as Ezek 18 does not deal with men in representative positions for anyone.
4. Genes 1-3 deals with ONE REPRESENTATIVE man for all mankind who is SINLESS while Ezek 18 deals with Fathers and children who are equally sinful and can't represent anyone but themselves.
5. Genesis 1-3 is dealing with the law in Genesis 2:17 whereas Ezek 18 is dealing with the Mosaicd Law covenant.

Finally, if you deny the Representative capacity of Adam in behalf of others, you must equally deny the representative capacity of Christ for others whereas Ezek 18 deals with sinful men who canont represent anyone else but are equally in need of a representative man that they might be saved. Hence, their equal sinfulness repudiates that they could possibly represent each other in any direction. Think about it.

 

Have you read Acts 10:43? If so, ask yourself who was the very first prophet (Heb. 12:3)? Have your read Hebrews 4:2?

Have you read Hebrews 12:3 with regard to what it was that actually made Abel righteous? The sacrifice or faith in what the sacrifice typified? Have you read Hebrews 10:1-4?

Was John 3:3-11 said prior to the cross? Was Ezekiel 44:7-9 said before the cross? If being born of Spirit or what the Old Testament prophets called metaphorically "circumcised of heart" did not exist before the cross then why does God demand it prior to the cross?

Physical death is the product of spiritual death as there would be no physical death unless one first suffers spiritual death. Do you understand what is spiritual death? It is spiritual separation from God. That means your spirit is cut off from God's Spirit. God IS life, God IS light, God IS love, and God IS holy and to be spiritual separated from God means you are spiritually dead, in spiritual darkness, having spiritual enmity toward God and are depraved. There is no other salvation than one salvation because there is no other problem then the fall which is the problem that salvation is designed to solve. There are only two kind of people from Adam - (1) Those IN ADAM versus those IN CHRIST; (1) Lost versus Saved; (3) Those who have Satan as the spiritual father versus those who have God has their spiritual Father; (4) Those in the kingdom of Satan and servants of Satan and those in the kingdom of God and servants of God. No third type of human exists or ever will exist.

 

Animals die too! But animals are not made in the image of God. That "image" is INVISIBLE as Paul tells the Colossians that Jesus was in the image of the "invisible" God. What aspect of man is INVISIBLE but different than the component aspects of animals? Answer: He has a "spirit" in addition to a "soul" and that "spirit" came directly from God as God "breathed" (Heb. inspirited) into Adam's nostrils the "breath" (spirits) of life.

1. Spirit provides man other world/spirit world consciousness
2. Soul provides man with self consciousness
3. Body provides man with outer world consciousness

Animals have self-consciousness and outer world consciousness but they have no spirit world consciousness. You will never see an animal pray or hold a worship service with fellow "brethren" animals.

The spirit of man was created in direct connection (spiritual union) and communion with God who is spirit. God is LIFE, and God IS light; and God IS love and God IS holy. God is the spiritual source for all these communicable attributes. Sin separates God who is SPIRIT from man's spirit which is where God communes with man making worship possible (Jn. 4:22-24).

Death IS Separation from the life of God, from the light of God, from the love of God and from the holiness of God all of which have their sustaining source IN God.

God did not say "dying ye shall surely die" but he said "IN THE DAY" they ate "dying they shall surely die" meaning death had its beginning point "IN THE DAY" they sinned because it separated them from God producing in them spiritual death, darkness, enmity and depravity. All men die in Adam and you are not different then Adam with regard to sin and its effects. There are not two different kinds of sin problems but only one and that is described clearly in both the Old and New Testaments.

If God had not prevented FALLEN Adam from eating of the tree of life he would have not physically died and the horror of that is that an inner spiritually dead person would be forever housed in an immortal body.

No, a thousand times Nooooooooo! Read and then carefully study Hebrews 11:4 and ask yourself one question, "was it a righteous Abel who offered up a sacrifice or was it an unrighteous Abel who offered up a sacrifice to become righteous"? Then ask youself what is the theme of Hebrews 11? Faith right? Abel was justified by faith PRIOR TO making that offering as that offering pictured the object of His faith - the promised Savior of Genesis 3:15 and thus the lamb of God slain "from the foundation of the world."

Adam, Eve, Abel and all those who received the same and only gospel of the prophets (Acts 10:43) are in heaven today BUT THEIR BODIES REMAIN IN THE GROUND. Why? Because BEFORE THE CROSS, BEFORE THE RESURRECTION Jesus not only demanded new birth (Jn. 3:3-11; Ezek.44:7-9) but said "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" Note, he described their present state "liveth" and "believeth" but they "shall NEVER die" even though their bodies does die! 1 Cor. 15 has to do with the "corruptible" body that lies in the grave or the unglorified bodies still living when Christ returns.

Three days and three nights in the SEALED tomb is an proof he actually died. It is not how long he stayed in the grave that saves anyone, but that on the cross the MAN, the HUMAN SPIRIT was separated from God and he physically died thus paying the sin debt in our behalf. It was his DIVINITY that gave eternal value for his death. the resurrection proved the penalty of death was fully paid or else no resurrection could be possible.

The saving application of his promised death and resurrection was applied by faith to all pre-cross saints not according to the "old" or "new" covenants but according to "the blood of the everlasting covenant" (Heb. 13:20) according to His eternal purpose of grace according to election.

 

I hope neither of you guys are pastors or teachers or any official position in any Baptist church as that would be an utter and complete travesty.