A Different Salvation?

I see Mr. Taylor now claims he did not imply I was a coward. Note the effort to change the subject to whether or not he engaged in name calling, rather than the thread topic. Obfuscation on display. And now he asked if Jesus was an advocate of falsehood. More obfuscation, more strawman deflections, more denial of the obvious.

 

Yes your efforts were all nonsense.

Ephesians 1:4 is rewritten to individuals who were individually chosen during their lifetime, receiving the blessing of being redeemed, which of course was put in motion when God chose His redeemer and His corporate target group.

No need to say since the beginning refers to the New Covenant in 2 Thessalonians 2:13, its means the New Covenant everywhere the word is used. Obfuscation on display.

Wait, did you just agree that logically a corporately chosen target group is not made up of individuals?

Referring to Romans 8 and 9 is what you call a specific reference. Well Romans 8 and 9 blows your view out of the water!!

You seem to have no idea what "foreknew" means. It refers to something known in the past that is being utilized in the present. So before creation, God knew He planned on redeeming believers, and therefore He "foreknew"

 

More denial of the obvious, but you used coward and idiotic and mind reading assertions. Obfuscation on display.

 

Paul was going down the road to Damascus, ignorant in unbelief, to imprison and or have Christians killed.

Did the encounter with Jesus cause Paul to change Paul's mind or did the encounter and subsequent being given the Holy Spirit cause a renewing of the mind of Paul unto belief.

Why did he become, one of belief, one of faith?

Did he do it or was it done unto him?

Did the idol worshiper Abram all of a sudden believe or was he chosen by God unto belief, to be one of faith, that is, that in his seed, all the nations of the earth would be blessed?

 

God calls all, We can only accept or reject

The rich young ruler, and the parable of the sower are the lessons

 

your favorite verse selah

Luk 5:32

I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

I do not think God calls Yankees nor West Virginians , He only draws Southerners. do you disagree?
show me the verse

 

2 Thess. 2:13, James 2:5. We were chosen through faith and we came to faith during our lifetime. QED

BTW, name calling is the crutch of a crippled argument.

 

We are told, Abraham died in faith, not having received the promises.

I have a question.

who in the days of his flesh both prayers and supplications unto Him who was able to save him from death -- with strong crying and tears -- having offered up, and having been heard in respect to that which he feared, through being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience,

The Son above died, How long was he dead?

What obedience did he learn?

Was it, obedience of faith?

Consider:
also through the obedience of the one, shall the many be constituted righteous. From Rom 5:19 YLT
so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous, Gal 3:24 YLT

By grace through the faith

Who's obedience of faith?

 

you were not chosen for salvation before the foundation of the world but you existed and had a relationship with God. You were chosen for a birth in a place time, family etc, to hear and male a choice. Salvation is offered, few accept it.ball will know it

Luk 3:4

As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Luk 3:5

Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
Luk 3:6

And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.


Isa 45:22

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

1Ti 2:3
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4

Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

Ah, the reference to the unreferenced past. I think that was when you admitted you can't really mind read. And I see now you claim neither verse means what it says, we are chosen through faith.

 

Your's unless you think we rely on Chris's faith of finished action. We don't need faith of what is accomplished. Heb 11

 

Faith alone dies not save. We have to have faith in the correct place, We believe Christ is willing and able to accomplish salvation, or His promises