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38 and the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one;
39 and the enemy that sowed them is the devil: and the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are angels. Mt 13

 

"...The Serpent Seed doctrine is the teaching that in the Garden of Eden, the serpent (the devil) had sexual relations with Eve. The result was that she bore Cain. The descendants of Cain are called Kenites. Abel, however, is the result of Adam and Eve having relations...."

I'm not advocating any such thing and I'm sure Icon isn't, so why don't you drop it?

 

In examining the parable, the harvest time comes. Does it not seem the harvest is reversed in sequence? First the tires then the weat? I wonder how this works in eschatology schemes.

But such is for another thread, just a wondering thought I will ponder upon.

Thank you for giving me something in which to ponder!

 

K.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He that hath ears, let him hear.

Now what?

 

Lol, yea, it contradicts dispie fiction.

The point is that Satan has his children:

38 I speak the things which I have seen with my Father: and ye also do the things which ye heard from your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Our father is Abraham. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham`s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I heard from God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the works of your father. They said unto him, We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I came forth and am come from God; for neither have I come of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. Jn 8

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said unto them, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mt 3

34 Ye offspring of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. Mt 12

33 Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of hell? Mt 23

These 'serpents', these 'offspring of vipers', these 'children of the devil' were the Serpent's emissaries on earth that bruised our Savior. Thus the fulfillment of Gen 3:15:

14 And Jehovah God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

 

What seems to be relegated to the back burners is that God does Love, as only God can.

His love extends to the unbeliever through both grace and final preparation estate.

To our thinking how can God love by preparing the second death?

What manner of Love is this?

1 John 3:

See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him.
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So it remains that God is Love, but how that love is expressed remains with His authority.

The “seed” is not physical, but the Word or the word.

The Word which became flesh to redeem those the Father claimed according to His purpose.

The word of the enemy that prompted Eve to be tricked so Adam who knew the fullness of The perfection of God’s Love would purposefully turn from God to die with Eve.

It is that seed (word) that the enemy used against The Christ.

It is the Word the separates the Spirit from the flesh, the soulishness of the fallen, the seed of the unbelief held captive to the word of the enemy.

 

More obfuscation, you needed to say yes to one of the options. Why waste electrons pushing (in stealth mode) one of your 5 points.

God owns the rights to all men.
1) Is the idea the right of the potter over the clay,
2) or is the idea the purchase with His blood of all mankind, which demonstrated His love for us.

God of course purchased with His blood all of mankind, demonstrating His love for all mankind.

 

Does God Love the Seed of the Serpent?

I tend to think He prefers Sonflower Seeds.

 

I view it differently. I do not believe the unsaved belong to Satan. Unbelievers are under satanic influence and delusion. I am not a two-kingdom guy. I can go into that more in detail at a later time but I wanted to comment now since you tagged me.

 

Can you show Scripture support that God “purchased with His blood all mankind...” ?

Did God demonstrate or prove His love?

You are the one bringing up 5 points, so it must follow that something about the thread alarms you.

Perhaps you would be able to others satisfaction their view, and then present Scriptures obliging a reexamination of that view.

Probably not, so perhaps it best to respond only to the two questions.

 

1) Icon has not yet answered the question, can you say which of the two options you embrace?
2) See Romans 5:8 NASB
3) Christ died for all mankind, demonstrating His love for all mankind, because God desires all men to be saved. Thus the denial of this truth is in support of one of your points, but in stealth mode.

 

1) False teachers invent special words and phrases to push bogus doctrine. Did you see where "covenant death" was defined? Was he referring to the physical death of a born anew believer in Christ? Lord knows.
2) Romans 5:8 says God demonstrated His love for those He died for. 1 Timothy 2: 6 says Christ gave Himself as a ransom for all. Therefore, Christ died for all mankind demonstrating His love for all mankind.
3) To bolster a bogus view, some claim their opponents hold "confused ideas" and do not understand scripture. However, the use of these "against the man" arguments (which are logical fallacies) actually indicates their view lacks validity.

 

I have (as you have read) my responses to posts. Is there one you need clarification?

If so, then point to that area, and I will be obliged to respond.

There are more than two options presented in this thread, and as I have sensed the peace to respond have attempted to bring clarification.

Icon’s OP concerns the manner of and extension of God’s Love. As I addressed that issue at least twice, then perhaps you missed my response.

6For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.7For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. 8But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.10For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.​

I bolded the passage so folks could better see these points:

• The redeemed were helpless. They had and have no ability of themself (no freedom of choice) to be redeemed.
• Christ died for the ungodly that reconciliation resolves upon belief. But do not dismiss that the ungodly are no longer helpless, but empowered by God to believe (John 1). But not ALL ungodly! But the death of Christ was for the ungodly God chose to redeem. Proved in the statement, “...Christ died for US...”
• God demonstrated His love to us, the redeemed. Those in whom remain ungodly have such demonstrated love but only the redeemed are reconciled
• While the redeemed (we) were enemies, the redeemed (we) were reconciled to God throughout the death of the son. The blood was for all, but not all are reconciled. Christ died to reconcile the redeemed (us).
• Upon such reconciliation the redeemed (we) shall be saved by His life (the resurrection).

I do not find support for your opposing that certainly God loved the World, set the Son into the World, to redeem only the believing ones to whom Christ died and arose.

The blood did not bring redemption / reconciliation. Such was accomplished by the death and resurrection and only for the “US” - the believing ones.

This single area I declare the “reformers” went too far. They attached blood to reconciliation. The blood was for all sin of all creation (Kosmos), but the blood did not bring reconciliation.


When Christ stated, “It is finished.” That was not a declaration of reconciliation. His death would be useless to us, as Paul said, with out the resurrection.

And here is an error between in my view of Scripture and your statement(s).

1). The blood was shed for all. However, Christ did not die of blood loss, but laid down His life, by His authority of sustainer of all things, to take it up again by His authority.

2). You fail to honor the truth that God certainly loves, and cares for all; however, not all are empowered by that special love of kinship (sonship, adoption) found in the redeemed.

I pointed out this principle earlier in the thread.

Therefore, there is no denial of the truth, but that truth which you have long refused and will most probably obstinately refuse again and again.