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Christians, War, and Violence

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by 1689Dave, Jul 2, 2019.

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  1. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Ya passed right over Eccl. 3:3 - "a time to KILL".

    What violence did Jesus use? He punched, kicked, & beat the merchants in the temple with a knotted rope. I'm sure they didn't leave willingly til he "persuaded" them it's be in their best interest to do so.
     
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    You're out of order. Examine yourself. Under scrutiny you're most likely what you accuse him of.
     
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    No, you are not. You are applying the Scriptures to an issue they don't teach at all. Pacifism is a secular concept and you have to pervert the Bible in order to promote it.
     
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    We have no NT scripture supporting Christians using violence to defend themselves or anyone else. Jesus taught the opposite.
     
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    I faced 5 years in prison refusing military service in the Vietnam War. Eventually being drafted as a civilian Conscientious Objector. And also became disowned by my family who ended up eating lots of crow when the truth about the war became known.

    Think of it this way. If someone kills me or my family, we go to heaven upholding Jesus' words. If we kill them, we violate Jesus' words and live to suffer old age and go to heaven on less honorable terms. If I stand by and let someone kill an unbeliever, the unbeliever has less to suffer in hell than if they had a life time of sin to pay for. Pacifism is the only sane choice.
     
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    Think of it this way. If someone kills me or my family, we go to heaven upholding Jesus' words. If we kill them, we violate Jesus' words and live to suffer old age and go to heaven on less honorable terms. If I stand by and let someone kill an unbeliever, the unbeliever has less to suffer in hell than if they had a life time of sin to pay for. Pacifism is the only sane choice.
     
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    How many die of horrible diseases clawing and fighting for survival at the expense of following Jesus? I would rather suffer any death upholding Jesus' words than what others face in not doing so even if raped in the process.
     
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    killing is a business just like prostitution. The love of money is the root of ALL evil including war.
     
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    Then why do you enjoy the fruits of evil? If you are going to enjoy the fruit of evil, you are as guilty of the same evil.
     
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    So you would let your wife be raped? You would just stand there and let that happen?
     
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    No, pacifism only emboldens evil. People like you make evil more possible. More people suffer because others stand by and allow evil to continue and grow. That isn't sane, nor is it biblical. Nothing in the Bible prohibits self-defense or defense of family. You have pervert Scripture to do that. You have to love the world more than love God in order to promote the insanity of pacifism.
     
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    God controls evil. Are you trying to interfere with his judgement on nations?
     
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    Would you let your wife die from the ravages of cancer? What if God sent a means for her to escape that and you killed it?
     
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    I can pick up and move on as the early Christians did. Notice, none of them stuck around to fight for Jerusalem.
     
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    But you live in the US enjoying the fruit of evil. So you really don't have the strength of your convictions. You condemn what you think is evil, but you continue to enjoy those things that evil gives you. Pretty much shows your hypocrisy.
     
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    Yes, I would seek all possible treatments for cancer, but I would not let the doctor come in kill my wife.

    But cancer is not the same as being raped. Women survive rape. You would let your wife be raped and force her to live with that rape and be forced to live with you just standing there and letting it happen. She would have the displeasure of having to look at you every day and live with that horror, a horror you allowed. That is nothing to be proud of and that is not in keeping with the Bible. You basically allowed a rapist to come in and violate your marriage covenant.

    That's pretty sick on your part.
     
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    If you know God controls all, even the death of a sparrow, it's easier to have faith in these matters.
     
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    So you defend Homosexuality, Abortion, and don't think war is judgement for this and more?
     
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    So blame God for your false doctrine and worldly pacifism. How convenient. So God sent the rapist to rape your wife?
     
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