On the criterion of "election"

George, you and everyone else know that is not a true statement. It may be the crutch you have created to ignore clear scripture, but it is not a true statement.

 

If you want to deny the PLAIN reading of Scripture and put this mystical spiritualization to it (that isn't there but added by you) that is on you. I choose to believe Scripture as written not as I want it to be.

 

That is EXACTLY what it says.

 

Jesus said he found faith in the centurion. That means he didn't gift him with it. That's the topic being discussed--Is faith a gift from God?

You are presuming it IS a gift and just plowing ahead with an alternate explanation as to what that gift is doing.





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Now wait a minute, that means that you assume Jesus knows everything the Father does. But yet only the Father knows the time of the Son's return. How do you reconcile that?

 

Whosoever will? That doesn't have any bearing on anything we are talking about. That's a whole different topic.

 

Short answer, yes, that is what I believe. But that is actually off topic.

 

So Jesus isn't God. God was surprised and unaware of the centurions faith?
Here is what the passage actually says:

Matthew 8:5-10
When he had entered Capernaum, a centurion came forward to him, appealing to him, “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, suffering terribly.” And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.” But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith.

Note: The centurion already calls Jesus...Lord. A Roman is bending the knee to a lowly Jew. What would ever compel a person in that position to submit himself to a Jew and call him...Lord? Might it be that God had already saved the man? Might it be that the faith the centurion had came from God. Isn't it marvelous that a non-Jew had been chosen for salvation and given faith...even before Jesus atoning sacrifice had happened? Doesn't it express what Paul tells us when he declares that God chose to graft people in so they become the children of the promise?
Sir, the passage you point at presents to you the Supremacy of God and faith, given by God. How I wish you could see this glorious truth.

 

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

 

My translation says in Jesus Christ not of Jesus Christ.

 

Read my full response and the passage I posted. My point is that the text clearly presents Jesus authority. Jesus is not taken by surprise at all.