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And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

I believe he was thinking about destroying the devil, Satan,, the sinner from the beginning along with his works and that would require the sinless Son of God to die on the cross.and be raised from the dead.

 

BTW for my previous to take place would also require sin and death.

But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Thou madest him a little lower than the angels;

 

The Calvinist demiurge can't figure out how to do anything without controlling absolutely everything. That is a pathetic dead god. Worshiping the Calvinist demiurge is like worshipping a rock.

Aaron can't seem to present points without name-calling. What's next? Is Aaron going to call me fat? Is he going to insult my mother? How will my ego take it? Oh, wait . . . I don't care what Aaron says about me. But it does say a lot about him.

Reproduction being possible before the fall doesn't mean reproduction happened in the exact same way, or as often, nor in a nonconsensual, unplanned manner. Aaron's adding his own special revelation as to how the reproduction occurred and whether it would ever stop. Extra-Biblical special revelation is how Calvinists gain most of their beliefs.

Once again, the reproduction was not done in the exact same manner as before the fall. Not just physically, but mentally as well.

Genesis 3:7 NLT
At that moment their eyes were opened, and they suddenly felt shame at their nakedness. So they sewed fig leaves together to cover themselves.

How reproduction happened before the fall is not entirely known.

At no point did I ever say that reproduction would never had occurred if the fall did not happen. That is Aaron's strawman argument.

No, the God I worship has far more creativity and intelligence than Aaron does. Of course I have far more creativity than the Calvinist demiurge.

 

Do they hold that the Fall had to happen though?

 

I never said I personally believed that, I said that is the logical position Calvinists must assume when they lay out their arguments about the Fall.

Did you ever get Hooked on Phonics? It's supposed to really help with reading comprehension.

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Isn't that the essence of a strawman, ITL?
Declaring what someone's position "must be", and then arguing against that position, as if that is the position represented?

My question to you ( and the other readers here ) would be this:
What does God's word say about the Fall?

I think that that should be the only position assumed, by anyone.

 

My apologies Aaron...
I took it as meaning that He was doing that act, and that is why I was upset about it.

I suppose that is the difference ( and the limitation ) between spoken, face-to-face conversation, and written conversation.
It's easy to assume one thing, when that is not what the author intended.

Writing can be so demanding, especially when one realizes that what goes down in writing, cannot be retracted as easily as if one were speaking to a person in casual conversation.
It has caused me to watch what I write more carefully, though I still have my moments.

Thank you for clarifying.

 

Once again Aaron argues with a strawman and acts like a teenager.

Revelation 22:3-5 NLT
[3] No longer will there be a curse upon anything. For the throne of God and of the Lamb will be there, and his servants will worship him. [4] And they will see his face, and his name will be written on their foreheads. [5] And there will be no night there-no need for lamps or sun-for the Lord God will shine on them. And they will reign forever and ever.

That’s God’s idea. Mock it if you wish.

 

Think about it.

Was the first man Adam, a living soul, 1 C 15:45 made a little lower than the angels in order that Jesus, the Christ, could be made a little than the angels?

Romans 5:14 but the death did reign from Adam till Moses, even upon those not having sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a type of him who is coming.

Adam was created lower than the angles because of the death. It would be through, the death, that the son of man,/the Son of Man, would destroy him who had the power of, the death.

Foreordained before the foundation of the world, it would be through redemption by the blood, that would be the means of destroying the devil and his works.

Death brought about by sin with life after death were necessary before the foundation of the world.

Let there be Light brings forth the scenario of dealing with the Darkness on the face of the deep, the Darkness of the world about to be laid down.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.! John 3:8 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Rom 8:3 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Heb 2:14

IMHO God had a plan before the foundation of the world. That plan involved a lump of clay called Adam.

Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Rom 9:20,21

The first man Adam was created for the last Adam not the other way around, for the purpose of destroying the works of the devil.

 

I guess I am saying I believe Adam was predestined to bring sin and death to all men.

for to vanity (sin and death) was the creation made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him who did subject it -- in hope, (Redemption) Romans 8:20

Vanity of vanities, said the Preacher, Vanity of vanities: the whole is vanity. Ecc 1:2

 

BTW That lump of clay, Adam. had a planed redeemer before he was formed.

 

What was God thinking? He was thinking this:

John 1:10-13 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

You need to explain--what is the definition of a "necessary event"?

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