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The covenants? show how they apply to election of Gentiles?
When you find a verse that says God chose or elected the Gentiles I'll believe it. Calvinism implies so many things that just aren't proven by scripture but by Imagination. Such as predestination to Salvation. Not found in scripture. How about being saved in order to believe this is not in scripture. Regeneration before Salvation when it is Salvation. I am at peace with God I will never argue with Him.. Scripture clearly states that we are sanctified by faith.it is not a preparation.
MB

 

I was stating my belief as I understand the word of God.

I am of the view point everyones name starts out in the book of life. And none of us start out seeking after God. When one overcomes through faith in God's Christ, one's name will then never be rmoved.

 

My goodness, when do you think the term Gentile was coined? You are working extremely hard to avoid the fact that God chose Adam, God chose Able. God chose Seth. God chose Enoch. God chose Noah. God chose Abram. God chose... God chose... God chose. Everytime God chose it was election. Being Jewish was secondary. Posters have shown you verse after verse where non-Israelites were chosen in the Bible. Yet, here you are being as obstinate as ever while you make up rules about election that God never created.
So...show us where election is only for a person who can trace their blood line back to Jacob. I will await your evidence.

 

That is Pelagianism.

 

That is a false accusation.

1 John 5:4, ". . . For whosoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. . . ."

Revelation 3:5, ". . . He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, . . ."

Psalms 69:28-29, ". . . Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness. Let them be blotted out of the book . . . ."

Exodus 32:33, ". . . And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. . . ."

Matthew 18:3, ". . . Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. . . ."

Revelation 20:15, ". . . And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. . . ."

[John 3:3-4; Mark 10:14-15]

1 John 2:2, ". . . he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. . . ."

Christ died for all the little children who are not yet of an age to choose so that their names start out in His book.

 

No... it's not a false accusation.

"It was the position of Pelagius that Adam’s sin affected Adam and only Adam. That is to say, as a result of Adam’s transgression there was no change wrought in the constituent nature of the human race. Man was born in a state of righteousness, and as one created in the image of God, he was created immutably so. Even though it was possible for him to sin, it was not possible for him to lose his basic human nature, which was capable always and everywhere to be obedient."
The Pelagian Controversy by R.C. Sproul

 

Surely they are not elect and saved and therefore wont persevere in the faith. Who enlightened them? Perhaps scripture? Maybe another believer? God did not change their heart, why would God waste His time on the reprobate when scripture says He gives them over. Refer Romans 1. God does not overcome hardened hearts by working on them like we might try and improve something as if we are working on a project of ours. God just gives to them the new heart and a new spirit, the old things are passed away, for them all things are new in the Spirit.

The example scripture gives of the jews continually resisting the Holy Spirit in the Old covenant ways shows that to be a fail.
And the OC has passed away and is obsoleted, God no longer does things that way anymore.

v20 is New Covenant way
v21 the Old Covenant way

Romans 10:20-21 New King James Version (NKJV)
20 But Isaiah is very bold and says:
“I was found by those who did not seek Me;
I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”

21 But to Israel he says:
“All day long I have stretched out My hands
To a disobedient and contrary people.”

 

You must discern the separate parts that make up a born again person, they are the body, the soul - mind and the spirit.
As Paul said,

1 Thessalonians 5:23[ Blessing and Admonition ] Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

What is saved is the spirit that God has created, not the soul or the body, they are redeemed later by being transformed at the resurrection when Christ returns. The soul is like the mind, the understanding and can be associated with the flesh, and that soulish mind can be full of all sorts of errors about understanding God.

1 Corinthians 5:5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

The spirit though is perfected, once God gives to you the new heart, which is the new spirit God creates in you according to righteousness and holiness, it can not get any better than it is as He made it.
The justified, God has spiritually perfected. You must be perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.

Hebrews 12
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

In that it says, you have come means it is a reality right now, not some time in the future.

 

Which is not my position. Which makes your accusation totally false.
You owe me an apology big time.

Before you accuse me again of anything. Quote the specific. And show that specific is false.

 

If so then why don't you show scripture to prove it. Your wrong here no one was elected before Jacob..And no one has ever shown this to me.
MB

 

You stated:
"I am of the view point everyones name starts out in the book of life."

That is Pelagianism.

I owe you no apology. You may have your own unique twist, but the central core of your statement is Pelagianism.

 

Show us that Abraham was not chosen by God. Chosen and elected is the same thing.

 

Prove that the interpertation all names start out in the book of life is an denial of the sinful nature handed down from from Adam because of his sin.
No it is not. You friend are in error. And do not understand the word of God on the matter of names being in the book of life.

 

You don't know what you are talking about. You must not know what those scriptures actually are or you would have quoted them. All you do is accuse because you can't seem to find anything in scripture to back up the nonsense you post. It's the old Calvinist shuffle, when in doubt run.
MB

 

I just showed you how it is Pelagian.
I cannot force you to see what you are blind to seeing.
Clearly you are offended that I see your position as Pelagian.

 

You did not show any such thing. Making a false assertion is not proof of anything.

Again prove the notion that eveyone's name starting out in the book of life is a denial of mankind having a sinful nature handed down from Adam. You cannot do that, because your assertion is false.

You must believe Jesus lied, and little children go to Hell too. (I do not beieve you do.)

Revelation 20:15, ". . . whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. . . ."