Featured Prove it wrong: There is not one verse about predestination to salvation

He does not know the wicked, intimately, like He knows His children.

David, a man after God's own heart, had this to say:
" A froward heart shall depart from me: I will not know a wicked [person]." ( Psalms 101:4 )

In His holiness, neither will the Lord.
Solomon was inspired to write this:
" They that are of a froward heart [are] abomination to the LORD: but [such as are] upright in [their] way [are] his delight." ( Proverbs 11:20 )

"For the froward [is] abomination to the LORD: but his secret [is] with the righteous." ( Proverbs 3:32 ).

God does not love a wicked person ( Psalms 5:5, Psalms 11:5 ).

Foreknowledge, by God's definition, is this:
" Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." ( Jeremiah 1:5 ).

Just as the Lord knew Jeremiah, and ordained him to be a prophet, He also foreknew His childreen.
Each and every one of them.

 

Then that explains the errors of the table. You are making connections that are improper and incorrect. I'm not wasting anymore time on this thread.

 

See the problem? No reference to any verse where the words are found!

What does Acts 15:18 say? God knows His future works? God knows all the works He has done from the beginning of the world? If so that is knowledge acquired or formulated in the past and being utilized in the present.

Does Proverbs 16:4 say God made all things for His purpose, including the wicked for the day of evil. Note how "made all things, including future things, is read into the text.

On and on they post verse after verse, but none actually support their bogus doctrine.

 

The point I'm making, is that "foreknowledge" should be defined strictly by God's words...
Not what we imagine might be the definition, or what we suspect it might mean.

We must bring every Scripture to bear, George, on any subject.

You've presented one passage that deals with "knowing"...
Do you know of others?
I do.

Psalms 139.
Jeremiah 1:5

That's only two.
I'm sure that there are more.

Let's use all of them, OK?

 

Jesus said to the religous and lost, "I never knew you." -- Matthew 7:23.

 

If all people's names were written in His book of life from before the foundation of the world, then He foreknows them all, and all are predestined to be called, justified, glorified .
With what your saying you counter what God says in Romans 8:30. And noticed all the words are in the past tense, not present tense, as it is already a foregone conclusion, already done, over and out, cant add to the word or take away from it.

Romans 8:30 New King James Version (NKJV)
30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

And by your saying that, you also dispute with God over Revelation 17, as it clearly says some names are not written in it from the start at the beginning.

And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Logically this is a lock on the scripture, and frankly if you keep holding to what you believe, your not very honest or discerning regarding reading comprehension, and if you change your mind to agree with scripture, then your going to be conflicted about many other of your understandings.

Your view on this is an example of a 'private interpretation' as it is in direct conflict with Rev 17

 

Then answer it according to God knowing someone, and the Lord Jesus telling them that He never knew ( foreknowledge ) them.

Romans 8:28-39 is not just about God knowing who will believe and who won't.
It's about God loving someone enough to send His Son to suffer and die for them on a cross, and to become their Mediator and Saviour.

Not exactly.
All men are God's work.
But the "works" being spoken of in Acts of the Apostles 15:18 are God's works of righteousness...

" After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 that the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:" ( Acts of the Apostles 15:16-19 )

Please read it again, George.
The context of who "the works" are, is developed right in the passage.

The believer, who believed when God "worked" ( John 6:29 ), is the "whosoever believeth" from John 3:16, John 3:36, John 5:24, etc.
The same as Romans 9:22-24 develops, the same as Ephesians 2:10 develops, and the same as many other passages develop.
They are the same "works" who have had their names written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world ( Revelation 17:8 ).


Every believer in Christ is a work of righteousness, and a special work of His grace.

 

No, the wrong argument is that you pick words out of the verses, ignoring the rest of the verse, and then make inferences upon those words that do not give the full scope of the text. Then you look at english words in other passages that match and rather than looking at context of the whole you make references that don't belong together.

 

This is just nonsense. What do you think salvation is? Do any unbeliever's get conformed to the image of the son? NO. So if you are predestined to be conformed to the image of the Son you are by necessity predestined to salvation.

 

I posted Matthew 7:23 twice. I missed the post. Please direct me to that post. Thank you.

Was this it?

 

I think you do not understand. So let us sort this out. God is fully omniscient. Agreed?
God then knows before hand who He is going to save and who He is not going to save. Agreed?

Now the book of life is the determining factor who is going to be saved and not saved (Revelation 20:15). Agreed?

First reference to this book is Exodus 32:33. Agreed?

Little childeren who die before an age where they can come to faith in Christ are safe (Mark 10:14). Agreed?

Again, the book of life is the determining factor who is going to be saved (Revelation 20:15). Agreed?