Calvinism, Arminianism, how can we find what is the true doctrine from God?

Here is your first accusations against God.
1) You declare that a totally corrupt part of God's creation is not saveable.
2) God is evil because He doesn't destroy all that is evil.

Did I stutter?

Yes
God's wish is that humanity had never rebelled and been corrupted by sin. God declares that he has a great love for his corrupt creation.
However, God does not ordain the salvation of all people.
God is Sovereign, meaning He has final say on all matters. He is the final judge and he decides whom he will redeem.

The kind of answer you get is what I just gave you.

Did I stutter?

Yep. There are many things God ordains for us that He wouldn't want to do, but He ordains these things, in love.
For example, in love God has sent the Corona virus to get humanities attention and call to us to repent and bend the knee to his Sovereignty. He ordained this to take place, but He never wanted to send this virus.

Your conclusion here is shown wrong. I am not the one who, twice, accused God.
In fact, everyone can see clearly that I believe God is entirely Sovereign over all things.

Let God be our judge between us.

 

"1) You declare that a totally corrupt part of God's creation is not saveable.
2) God is evil because He doesn't destroy all that is evil."

1. No. Something that is totally corrupt is destroyed. I believe all beings are savable. Even the epitome of totally corrupt, the Devil.

2. The Very presence of God destroys all evil. Your error comes from believing evil is a perk.

Evil is quite efficient at destroying itself without any help from God. Self destruction is always evils intent and victory.
Evil cheers for your brand of "justice", backs you up 100%.

"For example, in love God has sent the Corona virus"
Which prophet told you that? All we know God allow it.

"In fact, everyone can see clearly that I believe God is entirely Sovereign over all things."
You clearly think God is powerless to achieve what he wants.

But I did get the answer from you stutter to give.

God wants and desires all people to be saved ---> Yes

 

You never hear all the arguments you hear today against Calvinism in scripture.
Why?
Common Sense

It was never taught till it was made up 1500 years later.

 

Scripture please.

Scripture please.
Satan comes before the throne of God to accuse. See Job 1.

Scripture please.

You are making emotional accusations with no biblical support.

Read your Bible.

2 Chronicles 7:12-15 Then the Lord appeared to Solomon in the night and said to him: “I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for myself as a house of sacrifice.

When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command the locust to devour the land, or send pestilence among my people,

if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. Now my eyes will be open and my ears attentive to the prayer that is made in this place.

God sends pestilence (plague) utilyan. Read the Bible before accusing.

Yet, it is I who believes that God is Sovereign and in control over all things. Therefore your accusation is proved false yet again.

Did I stutter?

It seems you simply hate my answer. I have no control over what you hate to hear from me. How you respond is on you. I have been clear. There is no more for me to say to you.

Read your Bible, utilyan.

 

"Yet, it is I who believes that God is Sovereign and in control over all things. "

Only a MORON thinks God can't do what he wants and calls it "Sovereign".


"God sends pestilence (plague) utilyan. Read the Bible before accusing"
Doesn't mean God sends every plague. For all you know this one can even be weaponized, man made.

Jesus gives an answer to this wrong view have:

2And Jesus said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate? 3“I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. 4“Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem? 5“I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”


And its not like anything in the world can convince a person when your theology claims God has to stick his hand up their back like a puppet. Makes all external "convincing" meaningless.


"Satan comes before the throne of God to accuse. See Job 1."
Your idea of destroying evil is the use of more evil.

You have a flawed view of God because you think he would do the stupid things you would do. Christlike doesn't even have a meaning from you.

Like command everyone not SIN, Wants everyone saved, but actually LIES about it, since he hated them before they were even created.

The Calvinist View of God is so STUPID i challenged to think you think up anything worst, you can't. A drunk chimp is better.

 

Yes, God directs all things, which means...all plagues.
Your verses about the tower of Siloam show us that these directed acts of God fall on all humanity, bot the unredeemed and the redeemed. Will we be ready to stand before God when he takes us home.

The Roman Catholic view of God is a view that thinks God is weak and subject under the authority of man. It portrays God as out of control, not able to direct his creation now that He has made it. I challenge you to think up anything worse. You can't. A drunk chimp is better.

 

"The Roman Catholic view of God is a view that thinks God is weak and subject under the authority of man. It portrays God as out of control, not able to direct his creation now that He has made it."

LOL.

Catholic view of God is very much in control the difference is he can handle things with free will. Doesn't need to move your pieces to beat you at checkers.

Just comparing both versions Catholic view God is capable of making free will beings, while Calvinist God can only play with himself with his puppets.

God gets actual love and glory, not mindless puppets who's minds were forced and raped away authentic.

Catholic view of God is actually good, genuinely. Doesn't submit to evil.

Catholic view of God is nothing like the spiritual Hitler you trying to push.

Under Catholic view of God, We are assured to be in service of Love and what is Good.

The COWARDLY will serve any greater evil depending on what gun is to their head. The Good have no fear, see through with their heart. That is why I pity you.

 

The RCC makes an image of God, much like Aaron made a golden calf to represent God. It makes an altar in Bethel much like the Northern Kingdom of Israel did, which lead to sin.

Person's who recognize God's full authority and power over all His creation are hardly "cowardly" in serving the Supreme Ruler and King. God calls us to faith and courage as we work as ambassadors in a foreign land. We see our role as similar to Joshua...

Joshua 1:5-9 No man shall be able to stand before you all the days of your life. Just as I was with Moses, so I will be with you. I will not leave you or forsake you. Be strong and courageous, for you shall cause this people to inherit the land that I swore to their fathers to give them. Only be strong and very courageous, being careful to do according to all the law that Moses my servant commanded you. Do not turn from it to the right hand or to the left, that you may have good success wherever you go. This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success. Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.”

Utilyan, I chuckle that you would pity me as I am a servant of the Most High. Better a servant in the House of God than a ruler in the kingdom of men.

 

We believe the Character of God is most shown in Jesus Christ. Rather than just another pagan megalomaniac who demands human sacrifice to appease his volcanic stupidity.

 

We Baptists teach what scriptures alone teach!

 

You just denied Pauline Justification, as RCC does!

 

Was the God of the OT stupid and Volcanic when He sent flood to wipe out mankind?

 

God is not stupid. But if you think he was trying to wipe out mankind with a flood rather then just snap of a finger, Your version idea of God is in fact stupid. Especially since he planned the whole thing.

Common Sense and Calvinism never goes together.


Calvinist believe God is so dumb they actually had to make another set of scriptures called the TULIP. There they do 10000 times better explain things, BETTER than the BIBLE.

Don't you wish TULIP was like a whole book chapter in the bible? I bet you do. But apparently God was so dumb he forgot. 1500 years later....the brightest Christians show up

 

The true Gospel was kept and held by His faithful remnant throughout church history but in Middle Ages true Gospel nearly died under Rome, so God sent forth Reformation, and Rome went Officially Apostate at Trent!

 

Jesus is the Sovereign God who rules over all. So you believe in the same God that Calvinists believe in. All whom God has saved are under the Lordship of Christ.
It is therefore shocking that you do not hold to your King being in full control over all his creation.

 

What he calls as being done by a petty and angry and petulant God, the death of Jesus by taking our deserved wrath and being our substitute , is very heart of the Gospel!

 

God didn't want you to sin, you still sinned anyway.... control that.

You think God vacuumed your floor today? He doesn't have to if he doesn't want to.

 

An angry God pouring out his uncontrolled wrath upon his naughty son and using him as his personal whipping boy is not the Gospel. That is Calvinism, which is the antithesis of the Gospel.

What Jesus did on the cross was the greatest act of love in history, not the act of a God raining down wrath upon the most innocent of all.

 

If God ordained that I would not sin, I would not sin. God allows me to sin and to face the consequences of my sin.
Why? I can't answer that, but God certainly could answer if He chose to answer that question.
You see, utilyan, Sovereign rulers are under no obligation to answer their subjects or explain why they choose as they do. God, being the Sovereign Ruler over all, is not obligated to answer us at all. He chooses what he wills.
As his subject, will I complain and whine when my Lord doesn't answer my questions or will I joyfully serve him, though I receive no answer?

If God chose to vacuum my floor, He certainly could do so and I couldn't stop Him.

When God chose to send Covid19 throughout the entire world no one had the power to stop Him.
Instead of asking God why, I ask God..."For what purpose?". God has a purpose and that is to bring us to repentance or to bring us to judgment.

My God is King and I trust Him with all my life, utilyan.

 

Uncontrolled wrath? Hardly. God's wrath is precise.
How good do you imagine you are Walpole? Do you imagine you are as holy as God so that you stand before God with him reigning down praise on top of you?
How do you view yourself before God, Walpole?

Here's Jesus words Walpole:

Luke 12:49-53 “I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled! I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished! Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

The God who lovingly and graciously atoned for his chosen children at the cross is ready to set the earth ablaze with his hatred for mankind's rebellion. Have you utterly failed to read scripture?

2 Peter 3:1-15 I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the patience of our Lord as salvation.

The God who loves his children is coming, Walpole. Are you ready to meet Him?