Calvinism, Arminianism, how can we find what is the true doctrine from God?

JonC, it seems you inadvertently present relativism and post-modern thinking with your assertion.

 

Your own theology is man's understanding of what God has revealed to us. Essentially everyone gets their own understanding of what God revealed to us.
You then state another subjective assertion "spiritual truths are truths that make one more like Christ", but you are the arbiter of what you think "more like Christ" means.

This is precisely why I see your position as relativistic and post-modern.

 

By what measure do you judge. Could it be your self whom you think is in a higher position than everyone else..
MB

 

Hello Austin,
You are.posting consistent and solid posts. Several on here flat out reject these teachings and cannot offer.proper scriptures .
They can only attempt to caricature what they do not grasp.
Some are sincere and working through the passages.
I think you have identified several dishonest posters.
Do not be weary of well doing.

 

Now, you have provided a much clearer position in your last paragraph. Providing precise language is important. This is one reason why Calvinism fits with God's word. It seeks to precisely understand while also acknowledging that finite man can never precisely know the nature of infinite God.

 

No. I believe we should study God's word together and wrestle with it to know God. Will you join me?

 

He asked for scripture .

 

We are to BEG that is MAKE AN APPEAL to ALL PEOPLE be reconciled. God is making an appeal THROUGH US. BEGGING on behalf of Christ, to be reconciled to God.

2 Corinthians 5
20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Now if you can't piece together that God wants and desires in begging people to reconcile to God, that is ok because God LOVES DUMB PEOPLE TOO. The dumb folks had to go somewhere.... And its no surprise the dumb folks think they are the smartest, obnoxious nazi elitist of the Christians.

Just saying if you can't find that obnoxious elitist pharisee, who thinks he is the chosen one and everyone else is going to hell..... See if he is sneaking around the bathroom behind the mirror.

 

You make a false correlation that all are marked out for salvation when we share the message of reconciliation.
Scripture doesn't teach it. You are forcing it into scripture.

 

No I am not. Thats your dilemma.

2 Corinthians 5
20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

It merely states JESUS CHRIST wants all people to be saved. I am BEGGING on BEHALF OF JESUS, to everyone on earth to be reconciled with God.

I know this ain't working for you. Because Jesus BEGGING people to reconcile with God is something Calvinist Jesus would never do.

We are ambassadors. I have a message from Jesus. The message is I beg that you reconcile with God.

Doesn't say I am begging GOD for you to be reconciled, THAT END is waiting on YOU, GOD SENT ME.

Jesus sent me to beg you to be reconciled with God. He wants you saved.

 

There is zero dilemma. God calls us to be ambassadors in the world, everywhere in the world.
Just as a Nation has embassies and ambassadors throughout the world, so too does the High King of Heaven. As ambassadors we do what our King has told us to do. We speak of reconciliation with the High King of Heaven. Those who are to be citizens in the Kingdom of God will believe and be reconciled. Those who are to be citizens in their kingdoms of men will remain in rebellion.

Today I join with my fellow citizens in the embassy, via remote access, to hear a word from our King. I hope you join at your embassy, utilyan.

 

2 Corinthians 5

18Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, 19namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Notice I don't work for the ministry of judgement or condemnation. God has already issued his grace, I work for the ministry of reconciliation. Reconciliation already implies he wants friendly terms. I work for his active Mercy.

God has sent me as an ambassador to relay a message to you. The message isn't say well maybe not want to be reconciled to God, nothing here about your status of being elect or not, Nothing here about threatening to join us or be destroyed, No it says I BEG on CHRIST's BEHALF.

Jesus didn't sent me to beg God for you to be reconciled, doesn't say God is reconciling himself to the world because he already loves the word and established a ministry of reconciliation, he SENT ME in the ministry of reconciliation he already wants friendly terms, TO BEG YOU to be reconciled.

God wants and desires you, A stranger I don't know, TO BE reconciled and thus saved. God loves you and I am begging on Christ's behalf be reconciled.

 

Look at the first verse you quote.

Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ

Who did the reconciliation, utilyan? Did the ambassador do the work?

Second, God is reconciling the world.
Is that the entire world, universal? Utilyan, you don't recognize that you are preaching unitarian/universalism, which is a false teaching.
God is reconciling those whom He has chosen from every tribe and nation and tongue.

Third, how does that reconciliation take place? We, the ambassadors of the King, cry out and beg people to believe. Those whom the King has chosen will believe. Those who, by nature, are in rebellion will remain in rebellion. But, our King tells us to beg all to believe and be reconciled.

You and I differ in this fundamental fact:
You think all humanity will be reconciled...universal.
I think God chooses to reconcile whom He wills through Christ...just as the verse you quoted declares.

 

It says "who reconciled us to Himself through Christ" We are being reconciled to God. Doesn't say God is being reconciled to us.

God has chosen all to believe hence we beg all on behalf of Christ to be reconciled.


"You think all humanity will be reconciled...universal."

Nope that is your dilemma. I believe a person CAN REFUSE.

You think GOD has to reconcile. God has to repent and change his mind over a person. God has to force them.

The idea God begs folks he has no intention of wanting to be saved makes God sound stupid, God is not stupid. He is not a LIAR.

Under your theology We begging you to reconcile makes no sense whatsoever.

Under your theology We should be begging GOD to have you reconcile.

 

Of course a person can refuse. What they cannot do is choose to accept. By nature we are rebels against God. That does not change unless God chooses to save us. Thus it is God who chooses to reconcile us to himself.

Truthfully, I am appalled by your emphasis on human actions as the means by which a human is saved. Your perspective cheapens the power and glory of God unto salvation. You teach that anyone, by their own cognitive, rational thought, can save themselves by choosing God as the one they want to have save them. In your view the human gets most of the credit. The human acts as the directive agent and advises God on what God should do.
"God, I choose you. Now, you go save me. Pretty please."
How vile that concept is to me is hard for me to express. It cheapens God to a genie who does a humans bidding rather than present Him as the Sovereign King to whom we bow the knee and receive His good and just judgment.