Old Testament Kingdom Prophecies. Literally or spiritually understood?

That's all you got to say to post #22? Just stating something does not make it so.

 

Post #22.

 

You make a lot of statements without Biblical proof. Where in the world do Paul and Matthew teach that Jesus is Israel?

 

"In its latest form?" What in the world does that mean? Do you actually believe in the evolution of the Gospel??

 

Huh? You post something, I call it fake, and then I have to prove it when you made such a bald statement?

Hey, okay. I can't stop you from believing a myth, but I don't have to disprove it. Others have. Check this out by a genuine scholar on Bible.org, which a very reputable website: The Phantom Heresy: Did the Council of Ephesus (431) Condemn Chiliasm? | Bible.org

 

Where does the Bible say that "Abraham had the Gospel?" Work with me here; I'm a Bible teacher, so I have this annoying habit of asking for Biblical proof.

 

I'm a Bible college and seminary teacher, actually. And with my authority as a Bible teacher , I hereby declare that you are wrong, that Paul and Matthew do NOT teach that Jesus = Israel. The ball is now in your court.

 

Great! Now you have actually backed up a statement with Scripture. So, the Gospel preached to Abraham was that all nations would be blessed through the seed of Abraham. So, OT believers from Adam and Eve on (Gen. 3:15, the protoevangelion) have looked for the Messiah to come, and we look at the Messiah who came.

So, how does this prove anything about amillennialism?

 

Um, yeah, this can b a premil statement just as easy. I could sign this. Remember, there is David's throne and the Kingdom of God in the premil position: two kingdoms. The Davidic throne is clearly 1000 years, and the Kingdom of God clearly forever.

Please prove from Scripture that Millennialism is heresy. It is more usual that the amil position is heresy--heresy being Biblically that which causes division. You are now causing division by stating that the amil position is the only Biblical position.

Oh, and by the way, what in the world is "the church"? If you mean the 4th century "church," that was not God's church in many cases. My church and all the churches I grew up in and pastored preach premil. So in my world, "the church" teaches that millennialism is NOT heresy.

For what it's worth, when my grandfather went to seminary in the late 1920's, he was taught the amil position. Unfortunately for his profs, he was also taught solid Greek exegesis. When he examined the Scriptures literally, he changed his mind. When one believes in "spiritual" interpretation (which isn't), he can come up with whatever position he wants to.

 

So, you can't prove that Matthew and Paul teach that "Jesus is Israel." I asked for Scripture and you can't provide any. Are you some kind of authority that everyone should believe without Scriptural proof?

 

Just for the record, gospel just means "glad tidings".
The gospel that was preached to Abraham was the "glad tidings" that Galatians 3:8 itself defines: In thee shall all nations be blessed. It was the glad tidings that Abraham would beget a supernatural seed through whom even the Gentiles would be blessed. Full stop. It was not that that seed would die on a cross, be buried, then rise again the third day to save all who believe on his name. That was a further revelation only clarified around the time of the cross, which is why even the apostles had no idea what Christ was talking about when he repeatedly stated he would die and rise again.
No one was saved by looking forward to the cross. That line sounds good, but finds no Biblical support.