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My view was, is and will be the biblical view.

 

Please provide a quote rather than misrepresent my view.
We are saved by grace through or on the basis of faith.

 

So the spiritually dead are physically dead. Right, got it.
Still avoiding Matthew 23:13, Galatians 3:24 and on and on.
BTW, it is fiction to claim "opening the heart" is accomplished by "irresistible grace." Opening the eyes, opening the heart, or opening the mind always simply refer to enlightening through understandable explanation. Calvinist pour screwball meanings into vague or ambiguous phrases a mile a minute.

 

you realize that applies just as much to your OP as it does to my post and as it does to your response to my post? Which means no discussion by humans ever has any value! But God said, “Come, let us reason together.” Even God wants to relate to us, even as He related to Adam in the Garden, and called Abraham His friend.

Once again your premise is wrong, resulting in a wrong conclusion.

 

That is not complete control. If God has complete control then man could not sin. This destroys your premises.
MB.

 

Since we are not talking about dead people but living people, does that change anything? Talking about people in death and hell, is futile.

There is no dead spirit, spirit is alive. There is no dead soul, soul is alive. There is no dead physical body. We are alive.

Who are the dead? Dead in Christ? Physically dead. None of those apply to your point. There is no spiritual death as you are attempting to define. A dead spirit is a demon, and reprobate mind. Living or physically dead, I agree, they cannot be saved. No choice available. You cannot say a new born, or even an 8 month person in the womb has a reprobate mind. It is not biblical. Being sealed at conception does not save, any more than baptism of an infant. Nor is it misleading like telling a human they are free to be as wicked as they please, because they were baptized as a infant. Who in their right mind would say infant baptism and being sealed since conception is salvation? No one approaches a sinner and tells them they are sealed and try to explain the Holy Spirit to them. It is an understood condition. Pointing out their fallen nature because all are born sinners and without choice is a start. They have no choice being sinners nor being sealed. No one wakes up one day with the thought, I have been sealed my whole life. Now I should probably accept Salvation. No one is even told by God to wake up and realize they are sealed, and it is time to accept Salvation.

The Holy Spirit is calling all the time. God sends people their way. A person can start reading anything that has God's Word. Perhaps some like the apostle Paul, get a bright blinding light and a direct call from God Himself. All people are different. Not one individual exactly the same. But to take matters into one's own thinking, and form a theology with a few words out of context, and then compare them to all verses in the Bible to prove a point, is not of God. Yes, even in the OT is the claim that God created some, just for destruction. That is looking back in hindsight.

God created Judas and he committed suicide. Should we form the Judas doctrine that only those who commit suicide can be saved, because God chose a disciple who did just that? Should we take all foolish claims in the Bible as proof of a false doctrine or theology?

 

Then why quote so many fallen humans?

 

Taking words out of context is not sound reasoning. At least explain a little?

God forces people to not come to Jesus? Sure that is what Satan does. He prevents people coming to Jesus, with many road blocks. Would that not be important to disclose. Has nothing to do with free will. A human has many free choices. None that day that led them to Christ. Satan was available to mislead one for another day. God's Sovereignty remained unchanged. Satan decieved all, into thinking that God was never around.

 

Yet, not God's view.

I see Mormon's, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims and many others using the Bible to create a biblical view. But, their biblical view is not God's view.

Van, many people have shown you where you are in error, yet you stand your ground in opposition, believing you are solely correct and all others wrong. When you are addressed, you then claim you are a victim or that others have failed to actually address you.

Now, I know you will keep pushing and pushing because you cannot imagine you are wrong. I accept this about you. What I don't accept is that your view is somehow God's view when many people have now stood in opposition to your view.

 

YES!!! Adam and all his descendants have free will. Now you can accept, or reject. You cannot prove one way or the other.

 

Who made you his parent?

 

God doesn't have to force anyone to not come. By the very nature of man, a human will be in abject rebellion against God. "No one seeks after God, not even one" (Read Romans 3).
By man's very nature, he is dead in his trespasses and sins. He is imprisoned by his sins. He is hopelessly lost in the sea of his own iniquity.
My goodness, what a foolish thing to even imagine that God forces people to not come to Jesus. What perverted thought that is.

The question you must ask is this: Knowing that man is in complete rebellion and man's sins are a stench before the throne of God, what obligation does God have to free even one man from the prison of that man's own making?

Please answer that one question. Tell me what obligates God to free even one man from the prison of that man's own making.

 

LOL

 

You know, I'm a pastor (by God's grace), and an ex-Calvinist. That means I'm used to disagreements from many a quarter, but I've got to tell you Calvinist brethren, no one else looks-down-their-nose at those who disagree with them like Calvinists tend to do. Not all of course. One of the men in our church is a Calvinist. He is a kind and humble and gracious man. Interacting here with many self-righteous, pompous, conceited Calvinists makes me appreciate his spirit all the more.