Featured No Salvation Without the Human Element

Do you think the Gideon bible just assembled itself out of thin air? Do you think God wrote it and published it and sent it down from heaven all bound and pretty. How did that Bible get into that hotel room and why s it there?

Concerning Saul of Tarsus on the Damascus Road. I hope you understand that our Lord Jesus is just as human as you or me. He is the God man. He was born of a woman. Hebrews 2 says he took not on him the nature of angels but he took on himself the seed of Abraham.

However, that is not what I had in mind in my op. Saul had heard plenty of preaching and was well aware of what those of “that way” were preaching. He was there in Acts 7 and heard the sermon by Stephen and held the coats of those who stoned him. The language seems to suggest he instigated the riot. Our Lord Jesus asked him why he kicked against the pricks which suggested he was under some kind of conviction from the events of his last few days. A reasoned conclusion from someone who studies the scriptures and believes what he reads would lead one to understand that had Saul. Not heard preaching there would be no Damascus Road conversion.

I will be proving that in a near future thread where I will discuss how God brings the sinner to his new birth. It is fascinating and glorious and it will help to show just why preaching and a faithful witness is of such great importance in the salvation of a sinner. But first I have another subject that has been co- opted by the Calvinists and needs biblical light shined on it.

 

You will need to give us your definition of salvation. I can almost guarantee that if you give it it will not be biblical.

There is not a Calvinist alive today who understands salvation. If they did they would not be Calvinists. I know this seems harsh but you need to think. Paul said in the last days men would be deceivers and they would be deceiving others. I am concerned enough to try to help you.

 

Will you please supply the name of the first person who comes to your mind that has read the scriptures and has been saved but has never heard the gospel preached or had a human witness beforehand? Or, how about giving us the names or three Christians that you know who had Jesus show up in person with the gospel message?
I have to admit that I have met people with strange claims but I think you are the first to teach that Jesus is randomly showing up to preach to people.
I’m sorry atpollard but some things are just too funny.

 

I think I have given enough biblical evidence on this thread to prove my op. It is not my fault if anyone fails to believe the scriptures. I have learned over the years that cults will not deal with the scriptures on any subject where the subject is actually dealt with but will divert the conversation to obscure passages to defend their own systems developed by their leaders.

You will notice that I quoted God saying through his apostles that he has chosen the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe and the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness but to us that are saved it is the power of God. Roms 10; Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD OF GOD. (the bible - the written record of eye witnesses of the resurrection) How can they believe in whom they have not heard? How can they hear without a preacher? How can they preach lest they be sent?

All these were simply ignored because they are easy to understand but impossible to believe if your mentality is to prove your religious system in spite of what the scriptures says. There is no salvation in not believing God or denying what he says or skewing his words for your own purposes. All these things have happened in this thread. There are deceived people here. I hope their eyes can be enlightened. That is the reason I posted this. It is because what Calvinism says about salvation will not save anybody but will put them in greater darkness.My prayer is that God will shine the light into their heart, all least some. This is a biblical truth that can be proven; Every person, born of a woman, must have the human element to be saved.