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“Set a watch, O Lord, before my mouth; Keep the door of my lips. Incline not my heart to any evil thing, To practise wicked works with men that work iniquity: And let me not eat of their dainties.” Psalm 141:3–4 (KJV 1900)

“But, O LORD of hosts, that triest the righteous, And seest the reins and the heart, Let me see thy vengeance on them: For unto thee have I opened my cause.” Jeremiah 20:12 (KJV 1900)

974. בָּחַן bâchan, baw-khan´; a prim. root; to test (espec. metals); gen. and fig. to investigate:—examine, prove, tempt, try (trial).

Strong, J. (2009). A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Vol. 2, p. 19). Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software.

 

We always choose for a reason. But God controls our free choices through the reasons he provides for us to base them on.

London Baptist Confession; Westminster Confession:Chapter 3:1 God's Eternal Decree;

“God, from all eternity, did—by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will—freely and unchangeably ordain whatever comes to pass. Yet he ordered all things in such a way that he is not the author of sin, nor does he force his creatures to act against their wills; neither is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.”

 

God does ordain all that happens, but He uses either his own direct will, and/or permits and allows third parties desires and wills into the final result!

 

God ordains and causes people to commit even the worst sins. Here's an example:

Cannibalism, Here’s a sample of God’s judgment that fits equally well with abortion today.

“And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.” Jeremiah 19:9 (KJV 1900)

“So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.” Deuteronomy 28:55 (KJV 1900)

“The hands of the pitiful women have sodden their own children: They were their meat in the destruction of the daughter of my people.” Lamentations 4:10 (KJV 1900)

“And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.” Leviticus 26:29 (KJV 1900)

“Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds.” Ezekiel 5:10 (KJV 1900)

“And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.” Leviticus 26:29 (KJV 1900)

“And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:” Deuteronomy 28:53 (KJV 1900)

“And he shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; And he shall eat on the left hand, and they shall not be satisfied: They shall eat every man the flesh of his own arm:” Isaiah 9:20 (KJV 1900)

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“And I will make void the counsel of Judah and Jerusalem in this place; and I will cause them to fall by the sword before their enemies, and by the hands of them that seek their lives: and their carcases will I give to be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth. And I will make this city desolate, and an hissing; every one that passeth thereby shall be astonished and hiss because of all the plagues thereof. And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.” Jeremiah 19:7–9 (KJV 1900)


“Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds. Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord God; Surely, because thou hast defiled my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also diminish thee; neither shall mine eye spare, neither will I have any pity. A third part of thee shall die with the pestilence, and with famine shall they be consumed in the midst of thee: and a third part shall fall by the sword round about thee; and I will scatter a third part into all the winds, and I will draw out a sword after them. Thus shall mine anger be accomplished, and I will cause my fury to rest upon them, and I will be comforted: and they shall know that I the Lord have spoken it in my zeal, when I have accomplished my fury in them.” Ezekiel 5:10–13 (KJV 1900)



“And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins. And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied. And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours. And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it. And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.” Leviticus 26:23–33 (KJV 1900)

 

More correctly, he controls people's free choices by providing them with the reasons they base their choices on. They incur the guilt because it's what they wanted to do. But he secured the outcome based on the reasons. Westminster Confession/Baptist Confession Chapt. 3

 

I have a bit different (yet similar) perspective.

Being a Texan, I give you this for consideration.

God has established a certain boundary of choices available to humankind. Like a large ranch, fenced in grand sections, choices are made. Certain of those choices may open gates for further choices. Education, business, energy, healthy living.. each impact the available choices.

What cannot take place is one of this world choosing to wander into another ranch in the next world. The fencing will not allow such.

However, the master may purchase from the world ranch that which He purposes and plans and graciously provides such necessary until removal to that eternal abode He has prepared.

 

All of us whden physically born had sin natures, so were quite limited in even what we wanted and desired to be doing!

 

You are wrong.

Romans 5:10-11
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Above, enemies are reconciled and believers aren’t ’? I have received the atonement, how about you?

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

God not imputing the trespasses of the sinful world unto them but he is counting the redeemed as sinners?

Hebrews 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Our Lord Jesus put away all sin except the sins of those who have trusted in him?

Are you one of those fellows who are holding on but you are afraid you will lose it ?

 

When God established the World, the very first done was to establish boundaries.

Light dark

Upper and lower firmaments

Earth sea


God states you may go this far and no further.

Therefore, humankind cannot choose righteousness, they may only choose right.

Even the redeemed do not choose righteousness, but they may certainly choose right, and are also indwelled by the authority of God to resist the evil one causing such evil to flee.

To bad so few partake of that which God grants.

 

If as you point out “Christ suffered once” then there is only the need of confession and cleansing, not of more blood shed.

For both believer and unbeliever, the message is reconciliation.

To the believer and unbeliever there is with reconciliation the need of repentance (turning toward God).

 

God causes the end from the beginning. A loose steering wheel in the hands of fool partly controls the universe in your estimation. Instead, it is God who makes the fool and provides the reasons he bases his choice of driving a car with loose steering.

The Westminster and LBC call it secondary causes.

 

The only people he does not cause to sin are those Christ redeemed from eternity past. He causes us to not sin and live holy lives.

Think of it this way. Paul says whatever is not of faith is sin. So even good works by unbelievers are sin.

 

It is the new birth that gives us the desire to repent. It's our nature to repent.

 

I found this interesting. Einstein basically says the same thing the Westminster* and London Baptist Confessions said roughly 400 years before him.

God's Eternal Decree

1. God, from all eternity, did—by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will—freely and unchangeably ordain whatever comes to pass. Yet he ordered all things in such a way that he is not the author of sin, nor does he force his creatures to act against their wills; neither is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established. The Westminster Confession/London Baptist Confession Chapter 3:1

But I don't think Einstein got it from them but through logic. But scripture is logical when understood.

In a 1929 interview, when the argument about quantum mechanics “uncertainty” was at its height, Einstein modestly said: “I claim credit for nothing”, explaining that:

“Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect, as well as for the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper.” [Einstein: The Life and Times, Ronald W. Clark, Page 422.]