Rather than “lifted,” I like to use the word “withheld.”
OK!... Lifted/withheld... It wasn't there!... Brother Glen
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Rather than “lifted,” I like to use the word “withheld.”
I agree... God the Father was always protecting his Son until the hour of his death came... Then he lifted his protection and allowed the reason he came into the world to take place... His trial, scourging, crucifixion and death... It was Gods decree he died for us... When they came to take him in the garden he said:
Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
Brother Glen
So God lifted his protection, " My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me,
and from the words of my roaring?" for my (our) benefit?
And can it be that I should gain?
This doesn't answer your question directly, but I do know of a place in the Bible where Someone is responsible for ordaining something:
" And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." ( Acts of the Apostles 13:48 ).
...and yes, I also see that the sovereignty of God over all things is a very difficult subject to understand, my friend.
It's taken the Lord many years to show me what He has shown me, by His grace.
This translation of the Greek is incorrect. The word is the Greek noun, "πειρασμός", which literally means, "specifically, the trial of man's fidelity, integrity, virtue, constancy, etc.", without "enticement to sin", though it can be also used in this sense. If, as we know from James, that God does not tempt us (1:13), then it cannot be said that the word as used in Matthew 6:13, does have the meaning that the Lord does lead us into temptation. This is a moral impossibility for the Holy God of the Bible! The Good News Bible actually reads the nearest to the Greek, "Do not bring us to hard testing, but keep us safe from the Evil One"
God does ordain all that happens, but He uses either his own direct will, and/or permits and allows third parties desires and wills into the final result!No, I did not miss it. However, the language used as in God "ordaining all things that comes to pass", speaks for itself, which makes God the author of sin, regardless of the explanations to deny this.
More correctly, he controls people's free choices by providing them with the reasons they base their choices on. They incur the guilt because it's what they wanted to do. But he secured the outcome based on the reasons. Westminster Confession/Baptist Confession Chapt. 3God does ordain all that happens, but He uses either his own direct will, and/or permits and allows third parties desires and wills into the final result!
More correctly, he controls people's free choices by providing them with the reasons they base their choices on. They incur the guilt because it's what they wanted to do. But he secured the outcome based on the reasons. Westminster Confession/Baptist Confession Chapt. 3
All of us whden physically born had sin natures, so were quite limited in even what we wanted and desired to be doing!More correctly, he controls people's free choices by providing them with the reasons they base their choices on. They incur the guilt because it's what they wanted to do. But he secured the outcome based on the reasons. Westminster Confession/Baptist Confession Chapt. 3
I could be wrong here, but from my understanding of what you have written, it reads that any sins that a Christian comits, because they are included in the Cross/Blood of Jesus, they are automatically forgiven, and there is no need to repent of our sins after our conversion?
We always choose for a reason. But God controls our free choices through the reasons he provides for us to base them on.
You are wrong and you might just be wanting to argue.
Romans 5:10-11
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Above, enemies are reconciled and believers aren’t ’? I have received the atonement, how about you?
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
God not imputing the trespasses of the sinful world unto them but he is counting the redeemed as sinners?
Hebrews 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Our Lord Jesus put away all sin except the sins of those who have trusted in him?
Are you one of those super spiritual fellows who are holding on but you are afraid you will lose it ?
If as you point out “Christ suffered once” then there is only the need of confession and cleansing, not of more blood shed.You are wrong.
Romans 5:10-11
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Above, enemies are reconciled and believers aren’t ’? I have received the atonement, how about you?
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
God not imputing the trespasses of the sinful world unto them but he is counting the redeemed as sinners?
Hebrews 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Our Lord Jesus put away all sin except the sins of those who have trusted in him?
Are you one of those fellows who are holding on but you are afraid you will lose it ?
God causes the end from the beginning. A loose steering wheel in the hands of fool partly controls the universe in your estimation. Instead, it is God who makes the fool and provides the reasons he bases his choice of driving a car with loose steering.I have a bit different (yet similar) perspective.
Being a Texan, I give you this for consideration.
God has established a certain boundary of choices available to humankind. Like a large ranch, fenced in grand sections, choices are made. Certain of those choices may open gates for further choices. Education, business, energy, healthy living.. each impact the available choices.
What cannot take place is one of this world choosing to wander into another ranch in the next world. The fencing will not allow such.
However, the master may purchase from the world ranch that which He purposes and plans and graciously provides such necessary until removal to that eternal abode He has prepared.
The only people he does not cause to sin are those Christ redeemed from eternity past. He causes us to not sin and live holy lives.so this means that all of our sinful actions, though hated by God, are actually God "controlling" that we carry them out! Maybe the God of the Bible is not Holy by His very nature!
It is the new birth that gives us the desire to repent. It's our nature to repent.If as you point out “Christ suffered once” then there is only the need of confession and cleansing, not of more blood shed.
For both believer and unbeliever, the message is reconciliation.
To the believer and unbeliever there is with reconciliation the need of repentance (turning toward God).