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God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Oct 12, 2020.

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  1. George Antonios

    George Antonios Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.
     
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    Those whom God convicts and draws to Jesus shall be all saved!
     
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    this would then make God "a respecter of persons", which is not possible. If Jesus died for ALL, then ALL must have the God-given ability to accept the Gospel for their salvation, or else it is no more than a farce!
     
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    mark 10:45
     
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    I will answer from John's Calvin's own words on Mark 14:24, "And He said to them, This is My blood, that of the New Covenant, which is poured out concerning many", which is very simliar to the other Mark text you quote:

    "Which is shed for many. By the word many he means not a part of the world only, but the whole human race; for he contrasts many with one; as if he had said, that he will not be the Redeemer of one man only, but will die in order to deliver many from the condemnation of the curse."

    This is from the guy who is supposed to be the basis of "Calvinism"!
     
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    Calvin stated right here though that the death was basis for the many to get saved
     
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    read again, "THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE", which part of this do you not understand? Or, are you just more intesreted in your own way?
     
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    While this thread is well intended.

    According to God's word Universalism is not true.

    Those who perish will not have their name in the book of life, Revelation 20:15.
     
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    are you suggesting that I believe in universal salvation?
     
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    Let us look at John 11:49-52.

    But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all. Nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish.” He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, and not for the nation only, but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad.

    Please note what is very clearly shared here by God, through John.
    Who does Jesus die for?
    1) The nation of Israel
    2) The children of God

    His death is not a universal death. His death is a limited death for those who are the children of God who are scattered abroad.

    So, you can avoid what Paul teaches in 1 Timothy 2 and you can avoid what is prophesied here in John 11. You can ignore John 6, John 10 and John 17. You can desperately cling to an interpretation not supported by God's word. But, don't lie and say that "scripture does not say." Scripture does say...and you do not believe what it says.
     
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    Names are blotted out of the book God is writing.

    Exodus 32:32
    Psalms 69:28
    Revelation 3:5
     
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    the children of God that were scattered abroad are Jews of the diaspora.

    That the Jews are children of God nationally is clear from: Deu_14:1 Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.

    And that many Jews were then scattered is clear from: John 7:35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles? And Zec_7:14 But I scattered them with a whirlwind among all the nations whom they knew not. Thus the land was desolate after them, that no man passed through nor returned: for they laid the pleasant land desolate.

    Like the OP said, only an a priori theological bias can turn children of God into a group of elect people from eternity past by a mysterious decree of God.
     
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    Peace to you
     
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    I believe in Synergism. I explained why hell exists for those that hate God and His Son. That is all.
     
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    No.
     
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    So you don't see your contradiction?
     
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    Can you explain more clearly what contradiction you are seeing?
     
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    Probably not. If you can't understand what I first wrote, I don't think I can dumb it down lower.
     
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