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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Dec 12, 2020.

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  1. MB

    MB Well-Known Member

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    Of course Abraham heard the gospel while he was in paradise not while he was alive in the flesh.
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    You are adding your bias to the interpretation with no biblical evidence to support it.
     
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    So he had a second chance after death?
     
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    Wrong. His Salvation was set aside until heard the gospel just like David was Ps 16 because of His faith.He could not be saved with out the blood of Christ.
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    He heard that while alive though!
     
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    From Where? There was no Gospel to hear. He didn't even have the books of Moses. He even lived before Moses received the Law. Of course you can prove it. hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehhe. You are very funny
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    Abraham knew that God would provide the sacrifice of Messiah, see how He did for Abraham son Isaac@
     
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    That is not the gospel. It's the election. I know you think they are the same thing but they aren't. No one is saved with out Jesus and His blood.There simply is no other way
    You loose
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    Abraham was justified and saved by God while yet living...
     
    #109 Yeshua1, Dec 29, 2020
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    You keep making false claims you refuse to support with scripture.
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    God gives His children the gift of faith.

    Hebrews 11:8-13
    By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God. By faith Sarah herself received power to conceive, even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised. Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as many as the innumerable grains of sand by the seashore. These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.
     
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    Genesis 18:17-19
    The Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do, seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? For I have chosen him, that he may command his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice, so that the Lord may bring to Abraham what he has promised him.”
     
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    Romans 4:1-5 Justified while living
     
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    Blah blah blah

    Fortunately, the Spirit has given us a picture or two of election. I will cite the Ark. There it is, a refuge from the wrath to come, open to all, all invited, but the only to enter are the family chosen by God. They didn't become chosen by entering the Ark. They were chosen, then the Ark was prepared for them, and they entered.
     
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    The Holy Spirit called out to all to enter into the Ark of safety, but only the sheep of God heard and came!
     
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    The purposeful posting of irrelevant smokescreed to hide the truth is sad.

    Did anyone say we become chosen by entering the Ark of Christ? Nope. Obfuscation on display.

    The Ark of Christ is part of God's redemption plan, from before creation, and was completed when Christ died on the cross.

    In summary, when God chose Christ to be His Redeemer, that was an individual election that resulted in a corporate election, everyone subsequently redeemed was corporately chosen in Him, as the target group of His redemption plan, thus He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, but we enter that corporate sphere when God individually credits our faith as righteousness and places us spiritually in Christ, thus the sanctification by the Spirit, 2 Thessalonians 2:13 refers to our being individually set apart in Christ which is the result of God's individual election of us for salvation.
     
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    Whoa! Do you make Christ a lower being below God? You say "God chose Christ to be His Redeemer" as though Jesus is not God himself.
    From eternity past the Godhead chose to Redeem those humans who were chosen before the foundation of the world. Your theories of corporate and individual election are skewed by your false construct about Jesus. I base this upon your theological false statement, which I have placed in bold.
     
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    One false charge after another is all these deceivers post.
    Do you see a quote or a manufactured charge.
    Does being the chosen One make Jesus not God? What nonsense!!

    Luke 9:35 Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!”

    Luke 23:35 And the people stood by, looking on. And even the rulers were sneering at Him, saying, “He saved others; let Him save Himself if this is the Christ of God, His Chosen One.”

    1Peter 1:20
    For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you

    In summary, when God chose Christ to be His Redeemer, that was an individual election that resulted in a corporate election, everyone subsequently redeemed was corporately chosen in Him, as the target group of His redemption plan, thus He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, but we enter that corporate sphere when God individually credits our faith as righteousness and places us spiritually in Christ, thus the sanctification by the Spirit, 2 Thessalonians 2:13 refers to our being individually set apart in Christ which is the result of God's individual election of us for salvation.
     
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    Very poor job of prooftexting sentences, Van.

    Here's a simple question:
    Is Jesus God?

    God chose Himself to Redeem His elect.

    Your entire "corporate" election theory is a figment of your own imagination and unsupported in the Bible.

    There is not one verse that states "corporate election."
     
    #119 AustinC, Dec 31, 2020
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    Folks, one bogus charge after another is all they post.
    The infer by the question "is Jesus God" that I dispute what I proclaim. Deliberate deception to change the subject to me.

    Next, they claim Dr. Dan Wallace is wrong, that corporate and individual election is not intertwined in Paul.
    All they have folks is "taint so and Van is rotten for saying so."
     
    #120 Van, Dec 31, 2020
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