John Gerstner's Unbiblical Nonsense!

[HeirofSalvation]

? Your two verses from Ezekiel say nothing about hell.

Inasmuch as you have no Theological expertise on hell, I feel compelled to respond.....but, contrary to your assertion, yes, they absolutely do.

They only say God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.

But, in your view, God concievably takes pleasure in an eternity of torture for them?
Do you ever listen to yourself?

They don't answer the young man's question.

Well, no answer you've given does, that's true.

Second, you ignore the context of Ezekiel

No, he doesn't.
Explain how he does.
Or, you are lying.

May I ask why you are so angry?

He doesn't like liars.

 

[SavedByGrace]

God did not intend to have all lost sinners saved by the Cross!

so why preach to all lost sinners?

 

[Tsalagi]

God did not intend to have all lost sinners saved by the Cross!

God created us with the independent ability to choose our own path. He "intends" to save any and all who respond to His undeserved grace and love (John 3:16).

Joshua 24:15: "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."

 

[Iconoclast]

John 3:16 does not say or imply any limitation of God's love to the elect only. "Whosoever" is not complicated.

It is...everyone believing ...everyone believing and continuing to believe.

 

[Iconoclast]

God created us with the independent ability to choose our own path. He "intends" to save any and all who respond to His undeserved grace and love (John 3:16).

Joshua 24:15: "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."

No...men are bound in sin...they are not neutral but oppose God.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

Basically he ignored the crux of your op. Your context on the verses you used is correct. The idea we will look into hell and rejoice at those there is absurd.

Tell that to Jonathan Edwards, Isaac Newton, and Isaac Waats (who no doubt is a celebrated hymn-writer you use every Sunday).

 

[Iconoclast]

Who does "Whoever" leave out?

Everyone believing leaves out the unbelievers.

 

[SavedByGrace]

No...men are bound in sin...they are not neutral but oppose God.

so Joshua is mistaken to ask people to "choose" and therefore the Bible is in error?

 

[Iconoclast]

Would the saints not rejoice in the justice of their King?

They rejoice in Rev.19.:1-2

 

[HeirofSalvation]

Rev, Ezekiel says nothing about hell.

He says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HELL, BECAUSE NO WRITER OF SCRIPTURE DOES.
He says PLENTY about the fate of the damned: (as all Scripture writers do)
He says PLENTY about the fate of the lost: (as all Scripture writers do)

And he says God takes no pleasure in their "DEATH".
"DEATH" is the fate of the wicked.

That's true from Genesis chapter 2: to Rev. 22
Ezekiel is lamenting the fate of the damned......
You just don't see it because you already think you know what Ezekiel thinks the fate of the damned is, and you refuse to let him instruct you on it.

You are reading your bias into two sentences.

You are imposing your own bias on the entirety of all Scripture.........including Ezekiel

 

[SavedByGrace]

It is...everyone believing ...everyone believing and continuing to believe.

""shall not perish" The implication is that some will perish (aorist middle subjunctive). Their perishing (amollumi, aorist middle subjunctive) is directly related to their lack of a faith response to Jesus (cf. John 11:25). God does not cause, direct, or will their unbelief (cf. Ezek. 18:23,32; 1 Tim. 2:4; 2 Pet. 3:9)." - Bob Utley

Now show that he is wrong

 

[Iconoclast]

so Joshua is mistaken to ask people to "choose" and therefore the Bible is in error?

You do not understand the verse as usual.
You ignore who it was spoken to and why.
This is why you are consistently wrong and in over your head when you attempt to attack the historic faith.
You are making carnal arguments not according to scripture.

 

[Salty]

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[Iconoclast]

""shall not perish" The implication is that some will perish (aorist middle subjunctive). Their perishing (amollumi, aorist middle subjunctive) is directly related to their lack of a faith response to Jesus (cf. John 11:25). God does not cause, direct, or will their unbelief (cf. Ezek. 18:23,32; 1 Tim. 2:4; 2 Pet. 3:9)." - Bob Utley

Now show that he is wrong

All mankind is perishing apart from God's grace and mercy. They are not neutral. You fail to answer what you are asked to answer and seek to bounce out to other texts when you cannot answer.

 

[Yeshua1]

so why preach to all lost sinners?

God knows His own we do not!

 

[SavedByGrace]

You do not understand the verse as usual.
You ignore who it was spoken to and why.
This is why you are consistently wrong and in over your head when you attempt to attack the historic faith.
You are making carnal arguments not according to scripture.

You ignore who it was spoken to and why

enlighten me

 

[SavedByGrace]

God knows His own we do not!

so why preach to the whole human race, when God can make sure that only the elect hear the Gospel?

 

[Iconoclast]

IF anyone is chosen to salvation before the foundation of the world, then what is the point of preaching the Gospel to them? they are, according to reformed theology, saved in eternity past!

You still show no understanding here as you have been offered help on this from many here.
God ordained the means.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

Really? Are you unaware that Jesus speaks of hell more than anyone?

No he doesn't.
Prove that.

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

AHA!
So, God DESTROYS both body and Soul in hell!!
And here, I thought you weren't an Annihilationist.
I thought you believed God intentionally kept people alive for the sole purpose of torturing them forever.
Good to know you aren't as lost as I thought.
Yes, God can DESTROY BOTH BODY AND SOUL in hell.

sbw, do you deny the existence of hell and that God castssinners in hell?

No, God casts sinners into Hell:
In Hell, according to Jesus (but not Austin) God DESTROYS BOTH BODY AND SOUL.
That's what Jesus taught.
You teach whatever you feel like.

Is God just in sending sinners to hell?

Yes, he destroys them, body and soul.

 

[Iconoclast]

You ignore who it was spoken to and why

enlighten me

You have been answered here on this passage...you ignore it

I only desire to answer those who want help.