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Featured Are Human Beings Born Sinners?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Feb 17, 2021.

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    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    Really/
     
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    What do you make of the passages from Isaiah and Romans and the account of David's son.
     
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    Don't start making dumb remarks
     
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    The verses in the OP do not say they have not sinned. You read that into it. Let me ask you this, must someone know something is a sin for it to be a sin? Must they have a knowledge of good and evil before they can sin? If so, explain Adam and Eve.
     
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    Being found sinners does not mean God still cannot exercise His saving grace!
     
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    There are two issues. Genesis 3:22, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: . . ." And Deuteronomy 24:16, "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."
    We are not guilty for what Adam did. But we do have a sinful nature inherited from Adam and Eve, Genesis 3:22.
     
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    Pretty sure we have covered your errors on those verses in depth.
     
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    Infants and toddler sin, without knowing it most of the time!
     
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    We receive the same Judgement of God that he did, as all of us now seen as being in Adam!
     
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    That second passage has NOTHING to do with this issue, refers to just capital punishment will be done based upon what one does personally!
     
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    Man you should get your face out of your theological books and read the Bible for what it is. A day old baby sins? Are you in your right mind?
     
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    How do you know that they do not?
     
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    I think that much reformed learning is making you mad :Geek
     
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    I'll ignore the ad hominem attack. This is not a Reformed Theology issue. Why can you not answer simple questions? How do you know that a one-day-old infant does not sin? Where does that teaching come from?

    You cannot use the verses in the OP. It does not say they do not sin. All it says is they don't know the difference between good and evil. But Adam and Eve also did not have the knowledge of good and evil and they were able to sin. So where is your position coming from?
     
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    Have you never seen toddlers smacking each other just because they both want to use same toy?
     
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    Is this sinful. The Bible speaks of a righteous anger
     
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    Did you really equate fighting over a toy with righteous anger???
     
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    No, for God himself angry over certain things done!
     
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    So does that mean that you agree with Pelagian?
     
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    So when the Bible says that infants don't know the difference between right and wrong, it is wrong. Would you punish your child when they commit no wrong.
     
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