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Are Human Beings Born Sinners?

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Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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SavedByGrace said:
All humans inherited a sinful nature from Adam and Eve. But surely they only become sinners after they actually commit a sin? The verses in the OP cannot be ignored
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The verses in the OP do not say they have not sinned. You read that into it. Let me ask you this, must someone know something is a sin for it to be a sin? Must they have a knowledge of good and evil before they can sin? If so, explain Adam and Eve.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
So you do not see that in Adam all spiritually died, and that those in Christ now made spiritually alive?
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There are two issues. Genesis 3:22, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: . . ." And Deuteronomy 24:16, "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."
We are not guilty for what Adam did. But we do have a sinful nature inherited from Adam and Eve, Genesis 3:22.
 
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37818 said:
There are two issues. Genesis 3:22, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: . . ." And Deuteronomy 24:16, "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."
We are not guilty for what Adam did. But we do have a sinful nature inherited from Adam and Eve, Genesis 3:22.
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We receive the same Judgement of God that he did, as all of us now seen as being in Adam!
 
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37818 said:
There are two issues. Genesis 3:22, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: . . ." And Deuteronomy 24:16, "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."
We are not guilty for what Adam did. But we do have a sinful nature inherited from Adam and Eve, Genesis 3:22.
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That second passage has NOTHING to do with this issue, refers to just capital punishment will be done based upon what one does personally!
 
Reformed1689

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SavedByGrace said:
I think that much reformed learning is making you mad :Geek
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I'll ignore the ad hominem attack. This is not a Reformed Theology issue. Why can you not answer simple questions? How do you know that a one-day-old infant does not sin? Where does that teaching come from?

You cannot use the verses in the OP. It does not say they do not sin. All it says is they don't know the difference between good and evil. But Adam and Eve also did not have the knowledge of good and evil and they were able to sin. So where is your position coming from?
 
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SavedByGrace said:
Man you should get your face out of your theological books and read the Bible for what it is. A day old baby sins? Are you in your right mind?
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Have you never seen toddlers smacking each other just because they both want to use same toy?
 
SavedByGrace

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I'll ignore the ad hominem attack. This is not a Reformed Theology issue. Why can you not answer simple questions? How do you know that a one-day-old infant does not sin? Where does that teaching come from?

You cannot use the verses in the OP. It does not say they do not sin. All it says is they don't know the difference between good and evil. But Adam and Eve also did not have the knowledge of good and evil and they were able to sin. So where is your position coming from?
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So when the Bible says that infants don't know the difference between right and wrong, it is wrong. Would you punish your child when they commit no wrong.
 
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