Featured Reconciliation

Your explanation of the “cause” of not being “of My sheep” fundamentally changes the meaning of the words of our Lord Jesus Christ found in the passage. That is the truth.

You are correct, however, it is a waste of effort to attempt to engage you in meaningful conversation.

I’ll leave you to it.

peace to you

 

Yet another "Van is the victim" response in which bogus claims are posted to obfuscate and deflect...

 

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

 

this is what is known as "reformed theology", and most of it is unbiblical!

 

I quoted the words of Jesus Christ found in scripture.

Your response is that the words of Jesus Christ found in scripture are unbiblical.

It is not possible to have a meaningful conversation with someone who claims the words of our Lord Jesus Christ found in scripture are unbiblical.

peace to you

 

you have MISQUOTED and MISREPRESENTED what the Bible says, and added your reformed theology to it! I have said this many times before, I ask any reformed person to prove their 5 Points of Calvinism from John 3:13-18. This little passage destroys TULI from TULIP! Prove me wrong.

 

Total Depravity. Unconditional election. Limited atonement. Irresistible Grace. Perseverance of the saints. are not even mentioned. They have to be talked about in scripture before these things can be said to be scriptural. This is why you don't have a leg to stand on in scripture.The concept is in your head.
MB

 

if this is for me, then I suggest that you look at #2, to which I have been discussing with that person!

 

I quoted the words of Jesus Christ found in scripture and in the context Jesus said them.You claim the words of Jesus found in scripture are unbiblical.

John 3:13-18 do not contain the entire biblical teaching on God’s relationship to His people. I’d rather understand scripture in its entirety instead of just 5 verses.

peace to you

 

so there will be those who Christ has died for, who will be in hell??? This shows beyond any doubt, the utter nonsense of this theology!

 

As this passage clearly does teach that Jesus Christ died for the entire human race; then the first 4 in TULIP are FALSE, to anyone who is not deceived by reformed nonsense!

 

I've read the whole thread. It's really sad to see such a deception. Canadyjd may actually see what he claims even though it isn't there . It is called deception. He actually may not know he is deceived and is convinced we don't know what we are talking about. This is why it's so hard to get them to see the truth.Deception is a condition of the heart They want it to be true so bad.
MB

 

The person you refer to is a she

 

Good to see the Calvinistic cut and pasters are busy cutting and pasting.

Here is the logic:

Israel, in times of old, was an elect nation containing believers and unbelievers.

Because of national disobedience, God, who by the way hates divorce, divorced Israel.

The Christian Church is then launched comprised of believing Jew and Gentile.

The Gentile contingent of the Church decides that the elect are no longer comprised of a nation or those who associate with the Church or individuals set aside for service, or even individuals that believe in Christ, but rather individuals who won the salvation lottery from before the times of old. Believe in your heart that Christ died according to the Scriptures, was buried and rose according to the Scriptures all you want, if you are not of the elect, it is all a waste of time.

The Gentile contingent of the Church goes further in declaring that the nation of Israel in times of old is actually code for the Gentile Church in this present age. The confused OT prophets incorrectly predicted that God will restore Israel in the future for "His names sake". The Church will grow and grow finally overcoming the evil on planet earth, when the Lord returns He will find faith on the earth aplenty. Satin is chained in the pit and is powerless to have an effect on anything in a practical sense.

The idea that the Church today is giving God a bad reputation among the nations is an invention of misguided individuals that take the words of the OT far too literal. Detailed covenants given to the Sons of Abraham are stripped of their provisions and become a catchall to describe individual forgiveness of sins and eternal life to those of the elect.

God has changed tactics, in times of old he judged the entire nation Israel for the sins of individuals, today, by the doctrines of grace, he allows the church which is full to the brim with sin and disobedient individuals to decide for themselves who is of the elect, spared from judgement based on the elect members personal theology which excludes anything other than reformed augustinian/calvinistic thinking.