Can a 5 Point Calvinist Be A Baptist Fundamentalist?

Post #17 did not deal with the Calvinist fundamental of pre-creation election, where all the choices were made and where faith originated and where it resides.

What teaching, or teachings from the scriptures is absolutely necessary for salvation to occur in the heart of the sinner? Answer that and you have defined your fundamentals of the faith. Calvinists generally teaches that God has chosen whom he will save before the creation of the world and that he will not save anyone else. That teaching is foundational to their theology.

The fact is that God did not even choose who would be born. That choice is made by two people, usually, and is a matter of natural laws, which, BTW, can be manipulated to reach a desired outcome. Calvinists knows this and they have 1.6 children like non-Calvinists, which tells me they are not depending on the sovereignty of God in all cases and are practicing birth control. This confirms my point.

IFB"s have a whole different view of God than do Calvinists. If one is a biblical fundamentalist, then the other is not.

 

Well, it is not whether or not you believe the gap theory. The fundamental doctrines of the bible are those teachings that must be believed in order to pass from death unto life. The NT calls those doctrines, "the doctrine of Christ." Sometimes they are abbreviated and called "the faith." They are one and the same. There are more than one and a sinner must embrace all of them to be saved. Quickly, two examples.

2 Jn 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Ga 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

The fundamentals then is the doctrines concerning the person and work of Jesus Christ. He is the savior.

 

Do you think one can believe as do the Watchtower society that Jesus Christ is not God manifest in the flesh and be a saved person. If your answer is no, then you have identified a fundamental of the Christian faith. Christianity will not work without this doctrine.

Can two persons disagree that God chose who will be saved in pre-creation eternity and both still be saved? If your answer is yes, then you have identified a doctrine that is not fundamental to the Christian faith.

 

IFB's believe that salvation is a NT doctrine that depends on the doctrine of a tried and perfect substitute who paid the penalty for our sins, which is death, and that he was buried and rose again from the dead and gives his life as a gift, which is the omnipresent Spirit who indwelt him, to every repentant sinner who will receive him to indwell them , making them a child of God.
The T.U.L.I.P. has nothing to do with this. Justification by faith is an OT doctrine. Salvation by faith is a NT doctrine. Justified men of the OT are saved by the sacrifice of the NT in Christ's blood. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin.

 

I can be no more specific than to quote the scriptures concerning the doctrine of Christ, the faith. The scriptures say, "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved." Well, what does that mean? It means that one must believe on what the bible teaches about Jesus Christ and his work on behalf of sinners.

This is the reason Calvinists cannot be fundamentalists like IFB's.. They do not believe on the record the scriptures gives of Jesus Christ and, in fact, substitute a different set of fundamentals of the faith for the true ones. Their fundamentals have very little to do with Jesus Christ and his cross and God and the Holy Spirit must do many things for the sinner before Jesus Christ ever enters the conversation.It is not even Jesus Christ of the bible who saves the sinner in Calvinism. It is the Spirit of God who does a work of regeneration first and then it is God the Father who gifts him with faith and then finally Jesus does something for him.

 

You must define the "us" in the context of the theme of the letter to the Ephesians. The theme of the letter is for the purpose of making a mystery known. This mystery had been hidden from, not before, the foundation of the world. The short title of this mystery is "the mystery of Christ" and is explained in detail in this letter and is hidden in God and is now revealed by a special apostle that is raised up by God to reveal all other mysteries that are associated with this one. There are 6 others.

My purpose here is to talk about the fundamentals of the faith, not the mystery of Christ but if you can allow the context throughout the letter to identify the " us" and the "you"then everything will begin to come into focus for you.

 

The 5 points of Calvinism denies them as they are taught by IFB's.

No it doesn't. You read that into the context. The truth of the matter is that Jesus Christ would be the one man who could keep the whole law perfectly and offer himself as the substitute for all men. God would accept him and him only as righteous. However, that does not mean that all men will be forgiven because Jesus offered himself. The safety from the wrath of God against sinners is "in" Jesus Christ. That is, in his body.

We first learn of this in John 17 at the evening of the arrest of Jesus Christ. a whole new thing is about to begin with Jesus leaving this world but leaving the believers who are his in it. He prayed words such as these;

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare [it]: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

There it is. Jesus Christ alone was known before the foundation of the world. The fact that God loves Jesus Christ and believers in his death and resurrection are put in him and he is in them assures us that God loves us because we are one with him and since he and the Father are one, we are one with the Father. Ephesians, written in AD 60, 20 years after the inclusion of gentiles, is the explanation of how God is making the gentiles and the Jews one with each other in Christ.

It is my desire to glorify my savior, Jesus Christ, and lift him up and give him the preeminence. I pray he is pleased with my efforts. I do love him.