Can a 5 Point Calvinist Be A Baptist Fundamentalist?

[Reformed1689]

Well, explicitly who?
2 Peter 3:9, ". . . The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. . . ."

Read the beginning

 

[JD731]

Thanks for the clarification. I see you added to the Bible in Romans 3. Why?
Also, in Romans 4 you see that both the old covenant saints and new covenant saints are children of the promise. The OT saints looked forward to the Promised One (Redeemer) while the NT saints look back on the Redeemer who came. (Hebrews 11) Both are justified by faith.
We are not far from agreement. You just chop up things where I let the Bible be a whole. We both agree that God has always justified by faith.

We are not close at all. OT saints knew nothing of the sacrifice of Christ and this is proven by the OT saints whom Jesus chose to minister with him during the 3 1/2 years of his ministry. After those years, and he was crucified, six of them quit the ministry and the women went down to the tomb at the break of the third day to anoint the body of Jesus, not to watch him rise from the dead. Cleopas and another of the prophets left Jerusalem on the same day heading for Emmaus, hardly a testimony that they expected him to rise from the dead. They sure were not looking forward to the cross and each of the 4 eye witness gospel writers wrote that none of them understood or believed Jesus when he began to speak of his death and resurrection. I will quote every one of them if you like that I prove it.

 

[Iconoclast]

Most of this thread is better dealt with in the CvA Forum. However, in the main, Fundamental Baptists are organized on a basis of fellowship, not a formal denomination. IOW, if you want to fellowship with a group fine, if not that's fine too. The division between the two groups goes back to the late 18th and early 19th centuries. Though both are rooted in the Particular Baptists. I would think a Calvinist would be uncomfortable with the "revivalism" of the Fundamentalists.

Yes....I am glad for the godly stand they took between 1920-25...
When they embraced the other ideas, the paths went in different directions.

 

[JD731]

Context is pretty plain. God told Peter He was not willing that any should perish. He wanted ALL to come to repentance. Now, who does "all" leave out? He didn't say "All except..."; He simply said "all" !

I believe that Jesus died for all sinners and that all sinners can be saved but your verses in the letters of Peter are not the best selections to prove it. Peter has a certain audience in mind and the primary fiocus of his letter and the application thereof must be the "all" of that audience. Unlike the ministry of Paul, the ministry of the 12 apostles was narrow. Peter and the apostles primary mission was to the "circumcision." That would be to the physical offspring of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob while Paul's ministry was to the whole world, or to the nations, the gentiles..

I am not guessing about that. I have the inspired scriptures saying that clearly. Here.

1 Then fourteen years after (his first trip to Jerusalem after his conversion) I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with [me] also.
2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man’s person) for they who seemed [to be somewhat] in conference added nothing to me:
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 Only [they would] that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

That is pretty clear cut.

So, Peter writes both his letters to the same audience. Judah was still a nation at the time but Israel had been scattered since 722 BC. They were out of the promised land and considered by God, according to Hosea 1, "not my people," but with a promise that one day they would be called "the children of the living God." To be a child of God requires a new birth into his family and now, since the death, burial, and resurrection, God is keeping this promise, at least in part.

These people are in the general neighborhood of where they were taken. In what we know now as Turkey.

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

What I have bolded and underlined are all provinces, in Peter's day, in Asia Minor. There were many synagogues in those areas.

What made these of circumcision elect? It was the sanctification of the Spirit who indwelt them. He made them children of God by his presence in them. Hiss foreknowledge of these things went all the way back to his words in Hosea.

2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in [both] which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by [your] good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

Therefore, I conclude by the preponderance of the evidence that the "all" has the limitation in the primary application that has been presented. However, I will agree with your broader point that it is not God's will that any sinner perish, but all come to repentance.

All of the Jewish Christian epistles are addressed to these same people. James said he was witting to the 12 tribes scattered abroad.

 

[JD731]

I don't think you have read the whole NT then.

I have read it and the Lord has taught me about rightly dividing it. Therefore I cannot be deceived by false doctrine that is unreasonable and illogical.

 

[JD731]

Is individual pre-creation election to be saved from the penalty of sin, which is the second death in the lake of fire, a fundamental of the Christian faith, in your view?

Sorry Salty, I was reading the thread and I must have missed this question from you.

Absolutely not, is my answer. If it were, it would be the "ONLY" fundamental doctrine of the scriptures in the plan of salvation and it would not require faith for salvation to occur. Salvation would be mandated. Anyone can understand that. The Calvinists know this and is the reason they say wrongly that faith is a gift of God and grace is irresistible and that regeneration takes place without the knowledge of the sinner.

Calvinism cannot stand in the presence of logic and reason.

 

[AustinC]

Sorry Salty, I was reading the thread and I must have missed this question from you.

Absolutely not, is my answer. If it were, it would be the "ONLY" fundamental doctrine of the scriptures in the plan of salvation and it would not require faith for salvation to occur. Salvation would be mandated. Anyone can understand that. The Calvinists know this and is the reason they say wrongly that faith is a gift of God and grace is irresistible and that regeneration takes place without the knowledge of the sinner.

Calvinism cannot stand in the presence of logic and reason.

Do you realize that placing a requirement on salvation therefore removes salvation by grace?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

The fundamentalist forum is the perfect place for this because there is nothing that precedes Jesus and the cross and resurrection that affects a sinner passing from death unto life. the "F" in IFB is "fundamental." This is not a good discussion for Presbyterians.

As one of the founding moderators of this forum, I disagree with you. CvA is usually left to the individuals and is not made a matter of fellowship.

 

[JD731]

As one of the founding moderators of this forum, I disagree with you. CvA is usually left to the individuals and is not made a matter of fellowship.

I read this on the "FORUMS" page.

BAPTIST FELLOWSHIP FORUM (BAPTIST ONLY)
BAPTIST DEBATE FORUM (BAPTIST ONLY)

There are Reformed Baptists who claim they are not Calvinists. I agree with you that they are Calvinists and not Baptists. They are especially not Fundamentalist Baptists. Let's debate the issue with them.

The Presbyterians (Protestants) readily admit they are Calvinists and I doubt many of them would accept the fundamentalist tag and I would not want them to have it. They are the ones who invented the 5 points of T.U.L.I.P. and decided to redefine words and to ignore the context of the scriptures. It would not help to have them in the conversation.

 

[Iconoclast]

Reformed Baptists are baptists.
Your suggestion that they are something else has no support.
All 5 pts. were taught by Jesus in the gospels .
That we clearly see them does not change our understanding of believers baptism.
If the truth be known, of biblical necessity, those who would cast off the label Calvinist actually believe most all 5pts.
They have an in complete understanding of one or two of the points,or an emotional , or philosophical objection to the sharply defined theological terms.
Some have not been given eyes to see.

 

[AustinC]

We are not close at all. OT saints knew nothing of the sacrifice of Christ and this is proven by the OT saints whom Jesus chose to minister with him during the 3 1/2 years of his ministry. After those years, and he was crucified, six of them quit the ministry and the women went down to the tomb at the break of the third day to anoint the body of Jesus, not to watch him rise from the dead. Cleopas and another of the prophets left Jerusalem on the same day heading for Emmaus, hardly a testimony that they expected him to rise from the dead. They sure were not looking forward to the cross and each of the 4 eye witness gospel writers wrote that none of them understood or believed Jesus when he began to speak of his death and resurrection. I will quote every one of them if you like that I prove it.

Job 19:25-27 For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been thus destroyed, yet in my flesh I shall see God, whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another. My heart faints within me!
Isaiah 53:1-12 Who has believed what he has heard from us? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth. By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people? And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth. Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for guilt, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors.

Hebrews 12:13-16 These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.

I disagee. People under the old covenant certainly knew that their Redeemer was coming. In fact, Adam and Eve thought Cain was going to be that redeemer, but God's plans was not their plans.

 

[37818]

Read the beginning

2 Peter 1:1-4, "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. . . ."

 

[JD731]

Reformed Baptists are baptists.
Your suggestion that they are something else has no support.
All 5 pts. were taught by Jesus in the gospels .
That we clearly see them does not change our understanding of believers baptism.
If the truth be known, of biblical necessity, those who would cast off the label Calvinist actually believe most all 5pts.
They have an in complete understanding of one or two of the points,or an emotional , or philosophical objection to the sharply defined theological terms.
Some have not been given eyes to see.

Thank you iconoclast, for your input. If there are 5 things Jesus did not teach in the gospels, it is the T.U.L.I.P. Anyone teaching such things must completely redefine words and throw logic and reason to the wind while not considering 4000 years of human history prior to the coming of Christ, where he had made specific promises to Israel considering them as the people of God and promises to them about what he would do for the remainder of mankind through them.

History and scripture proves that God destroyed the entire citizenry of the earth, except for 8 people, in the first 11 chapters of the scriptures, which included the call of Abraham and a time period that amounted to about 2000 years. He did not destroy the first world because he had not elected them but specifically because the thoughts and intents of their hearts were only evil continually and they had corrupted themselves with the sons of God. That is not the reason you would give for their destruction but that is the reason the scriptures gave while telling us the deeds of these people caused God to be sorry he had created them. You would say God destroyed these people because he had created them for the purpose of destroying them, which would immediately cause one to wonder why he would be grieved about their actions if what you say about sinners is true.

Gen 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

This is inconsistent with the system devised by the Reformed, which is Calvinism. These two passages together probably will not help you, but they could.and they should.

Gen 12:1 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

The gospels had nothing to do with you primarily. Jesus came and ministered under the OT law of Moses, which pertained to Israel.

Baptism is not where we disagree. The fundamentals of the faith is where we disagree with Calvinism. Men can (must) believe God and be saved. Noah is the exception before the flood and the exception proves the rule.



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[robycop3]

Oye vay! Start at 2 Peter 2:17 and go to 3:13. The verse actually destroys your assertion and proves it false. Just read it.

2 Peter 2:17-22 These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
2 Peter 3:1-13 This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

No, it doesn't. Had GOD not wanted its message to be available to all, He wouldn't have preserved it & made it become Scripture. And you can't name anyone now alive for whom salvation is impossible & unavailable to.

 

[robycop3]

It is a letter and you ignore who all refers to.

But GOD preserved it for ALL. As I asked Austin, can you name anyone now alive for whom salvation os unavailable & impossible?

 

[robycop3]

any....who?
multitudes are going to perish.
God is very willing that many perish because He has the angels cast them into hell.
Your statement is totally defective.
That is evidence you have no idea about the Covenant of redemption at this point in time.

No, your interp of Scripture is defective.
Who does "all" leave out?
Can you name anyone now alive for whom salvation is impossible & unavailable?

 

[robycop3]

No...you misunderstand in part because it is truth you cannot conceive of.
It is not given to everyone to understand.

You have invented a plan that you have devised, but pretty sire God is going to stick with His own purpose isa 6:9-11

You're simply ignoring Scripture in favor of a false man-made theory.

 

[Iconoclast]

Thank you iconoclast, for your input. If there are 5 things Jesus did not teach in the gospels, it is the T.U.L.I.P. Anyone teaching such things must completely redefine words and throw logic and reason to the wind while not considering 4000 years of human history prior to the coming of Christ, where he had made specific promises to Israel considering them as the people of God and promises to them about what he would do for the remainder of mankind through them.

History and scripture proves that God destroyed the entire citizenry of the earth, except for 8 people, in the first 11 chapters of the scriptures, which included the call of Abraham and a time period that amounted to about 2000 years. He did not destroy the first world because he had not elected them but specifically because the thoughts and intents of their hearts were only evil continually and they had corrupted themselves with the sons of God. That is not the reason you would give for their destruction but that is the reason the scriptures gave while telling us the deeds of these people caused God to be sorry he had created them. You would say God destroyed these people because he had created them for the purpose of destroying them, which would immediately cause one to wonder why he would be grieved about their actions if what you say about sinners is true.

Gen 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

This is inconsistent with the system devised by the Reformed, which is Calvinism. These two passages together probably will not help you, but they could.and they should.

Gen 12:1 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

The gospels had nothing to do with you primarily. Jesus came and ministered under the OT law of Moses, which pertained to Israel.

Baptism is not where we disagree. The fundamentals of the faith is where we disagree with Calvinism. Men can (must) believe God and be saved. Noah is the exception before the flood and the exception proves the rule.



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Thanks for your response and taking time to set forth your biblical case. I have to travel most of this day, but will respond in full.
A short response would be :
1]The first gospel promise was made to all mankind,Gen3:15, not Israel only

2] The decree of election and preterition took place before the world was.

3] God is never sorry...His works are complete, and perfect.

4] Your dispensational ideas are very defective.I will need some time to give a proper response, so I just wanted to indicate some of what we can interact on.
I would like you to list your strongest objections eventually.

 

[robycop3]

I believe that Jesus died for all sinners and that all sinners can be saved but your verses in the letters of Peter are not the best selections to prove it. Peter has a certain audience in mind and the primary fiocus of his letter and the application thereof must be the "all" of that audience. Unlike the ministry of Paul, the ministry of the 12 apostles was narrow. Peter and the apostles primary mission was to the "circumcision." That would be to the physical offspring of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob while Paul's ministry was to the whole world, or to the nations, the gentiles..

I am not guessing about that. I have the inspired scriptures saying that clearly. Here.

1 Then fourteen years after (his first trip to Jerusalem after his conversion) I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with [me] also.
2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man’s person) for they who seemed [to be somewhat] in conference added nothing to me:
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 Only [they would] that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

That is pretty clear cut.

So, Peter writes both his letters to the same audience. Judah was still a nation at the time but Israel had been scattered since 722 BC. They were out of the promised land and considered by God, according to Hosea 1, "not my people," but with a promise that one day they would be called "the children of the living God." To be a child of God requires a new birth into his family and now, since the death, burial, and resurrection, God is keeping this promise, at least in part.

These people are in the general neighborhood of where they were taken. In what we know now as Turkey.

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

What I have bolded and underlined are all provinces, in Peter's day, in Asia Minor. There were many synagogues in those areas.

What made these of circumcision elect? It was the sanctification of the Spirit who indwelt them. He made them children of God by his presence in them. Hiss foreknowledge of these things went all the way back to his words in Hosea.

2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in [both] which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by [your] good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

Therefore, I conclude by the preponderance of the evidence that the "all" has the limitation in the primary application that has been presented. However, I will agree with your broader point that it is not God's will that any sinner perish, but all come to repentance.

All of the Jewish Christian epistles are addressed to these same people. James said he was witting to the 12 tribes scattered abroad.

No matter to whom Peter's letter was originally intended, GOD preserved it & made it become Scripture, available to all. The facts in that letter are GOD'S, & He made sure they were available to the whole world.

 

[Iconoclast]

No, your interp of Scripture is defective.
Who does "all" leave out?
Can you name anyone now alive for whom salvation is impossible & unavailable?

The bible is clear a multitude will perish.
All who Remain in Adam perish.
All who are found in Christ have eternal life.
The same word all, two different groups of people.