Can a 5 Point Calvinist Be A Baptist Fundamentalist?

We are not close at all. OT saints knew nothing of the sacrifice of Christ and this is proven by the OT saints whom Jesus chose to minister with him during the 3 1/2 years of his ministry. After those years, and he was crucified, six of them quit the ministry and the women went down to the tomb at the break of the third day to anoint the body of Jesus, not to watch him rise from the dead. Cleopas and another of the prophets left Jerusalem on the same day heading for Emmaus, hardly a testimony that they expected him to rise from the dead. They sure were not looking forward to the cross and each of the 4 eye witness gospel writers wrote that none of them understood or believed Jesus when he began to speak of his death and resurrection. I will quote every one of them if you like that I prove it.

 

I believe that Jesus died for all sinners and that all sinners can be saved but your verses in the letters of Peter are not the best selections to prove it. Peter has a certain audience in mind and the primary fiocus of his letter and the application thereof must be the "all" of that audience. Unlike the ministry of Paul, the ministry of the 12 apostles was narrow. Peter and the apostles primary mission was to the "circumcision." That would be to the physical offspring of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob while Paul's ministry was to the whole world, or to the nations, the gentiles..

I am not guessing about that. I have the inspired scriptures saying that clearly. Here.

1 Then fourteen years after (his first trip to Jerusalem after his conversion) I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with [me] also.
2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man’s person) for they who seemed [to be somewhat] in conference added nothing to me:
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 Only [they would] that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

That is pretty clear cut.

So, Peter writes both his letters to the same audience. Judah was still a nation at the time but Israel had been scattered since 722 BC. They were out of the promised land and considered by God, according to Hosea 1, "not my people," but with a promise that one day they would be called "the children of the living God." To be a child of God requires a new birth into his family and now, since the death, burial, and resurrection, God is keeping this promise, at least in part.

These people are in the general neighborhood of where they were taken. In what we know now as Turkey.

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

What I have bolded and underlined are all provinces, in Peter's day, in Asia Minor. There were many synagogues in those areas.

What made these of circumcision elect? It was the sanctification of the Spirit who indwelt them. He made them children of God by his presence in them. Hiss foreknowledge of these things went all the way back to his words in Hosea.

2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in [both] which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by [your] good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

Therefore, I conclude by the preponderance of the evidence that the "all" has the limitation in the primary application that has been presented. However, I will agree with your broader point that it is not God's will that any sinner perish, but all come to repentance.

All of the Jewish Christian epistles are addressed to these same people. James said he was witting to the 12 tribes scattered abroad.

 

I have read it and the Lord has taught me about rightly dividing it. Therefore I cannot be deceived by false doctrine that is unreasonable and illogical.

 

Sorry Salty, I was reading the thread and I must have missed this question from you.

Absolutely not, is my answer. If it were, it would be the "ONLY" fundamental doctrine of the scriptures in the plan of salvation and it would not require faith for salvation to occur. Salvation would be mandated. Anyone can understand that. The Calvinists know this and is the reason they say wrongly that faith is a gift of God and grace is irresistible and that regeneration takes place without the knowledge of the sinner.

Calvinism cannot stand in the presence of logic and reason.

 

I read this on the "FORUMS" page.

BAPTIST FELLOWSHIP FORUM (BAPTIST ONLY)
BAPTIST DEBATE FORUM (BAPTIST ONLY)

There are Reformed Baptists who claim they are not Calvinists. I agree with you that they are Calvinists and not Baptists. They are especially not Fundamentalist Baptists. Let's debate the issue with them.

The Presbyterians (Protestants) readily admit they are Calvinists and I doubt many of them would accept the fundamentalist tag and I would not want them to have it. They are the ones who invented the 5 points of T.U.L.I.P. and decided to redefine words and to ignore the context of the scriptures. It would not help to have them in the conversation.

 

Thank you iconoclast, for your input. If there are 5 things Jesus did not teach in the gospels, it is the T.U.L.I.P. Anyone teaching such things must completely redefine words and throw logic and reason to the wind while not considering 4000 years of human history prior to the coming of Christ, where he had made specific promises to Israel considering them as the people of God and promises to them about what he would do for the remainder of mankind through them.

History and scripture proves that God destroyed the entire citizenry of the earth, except for 8 people, in the first 11 chapters of the scriptures, which included the call of Abraham and a time period that amounted to about 2000 years. He did not destroy the first world because he had not elected them but specifically because the thoughts and intents of their hearts were only evil continually and they had corrupted themselves with the sons of God. That is not the reason you would give for their destruction but that is the reason the scriptures gave while telling us the deeds of these people caused God to be sorry he had created them. You would say God destroyed these people because he had created them for the purpose of destroying them, which would immediately cause one to wonder why he would be grieved about their actions if what you say about sinners is true.

Gen 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

This is inconsistent with the system devised by the Reformed, which is Calvinism. These two passages together probably will not help you, but they could.and they should.

Gen 12:1 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

The gospels had nothing to do with you primarily. Jesus came and ministered under the OT law of Moses, which pertained to Israel.

Baptism is not where we disagree. The fundamentals of the faith is where we disagree with Calvinism. Men can (must) believe God and be saved. Noah is the exception before the flood and the exception proves the rule.



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