Can a 5 Point Calvinist Be A Baptist Fundamentalist?

Those who perish do so by their own will, or lack of it. But salvation is open to all living as mortals on earth.

 

No it does not. Either Jesus died as a ransom for all or only for the elect. Did Jesus die for the non-elect (those never to be saved)? Again, I predict you will not answer.

Folks real fundamentalists reject Calvinism, because they believe Jesus gave His life as a ransom for all.

 

As predicted, we get Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. The nutters claim world refers to the elect. Thus a non-answer answer. Real fundamentalists reject Calvinism, and believe Jesus bought those heading for swift destruction (2 Peter 2:1) which means the actual meaning of world is all humanity, those to be saved and those never to be saved. This is really simple.

 

Depends on how one defines what being a Fundamentalist means, as my understanding is that they would hold with the essentials of the Faith, so answer would be yes!

 

On those so called essentials of the Faith, Evangelical Arminians and Calvinist and Reformed all would say Amen!

 

real Fundamentalists can be either arminian or calvinist Van, as their take is on the essentials of the faith all agree upon, not Sotierology proper!

 

How do they perish by their lack of will?
The Bible tells us we all perish because we all have sinned. This is a legal issue. We broke the moral law of God and our damnation is just. It has nothing to do with willpower. It has everything to do with justice being served.
Question: Who is the Judge?
Question: Does the Judge have the authority to pardon someone and grant mercy?
Question: Is a ransom price required in order to make the Judges decision of mercy a just decision?
Question: Who has the authority to do this? Is it the sinner/criminal or is it the judge?

Question: How is it that you would dare put the ability to ransom oneself upon the choice of the sinner/criminal rather than upon the choice of the Judge?

 

Let's ponder this.
You assert that Jesus has bought (I interpret bought as ransomed, paid the price in total) the sins of all humanity when he died on the cross and rose again.

Do you see the problem that you must resolve when you make this claim? There is a very significant problem, in case you cannot see it. Please resolve it for us, or admit you cannot see it and then I can show it to you.

 

Yet another taint so post, denying that Fundamentalists believe in a literal interpretation of 2 Peter 2:1...

 

More tilting at windmills, more imaginary dragons...
1) Does scripture say Jesus "bought" those heading for swift destruction? Yes
2) Does scripture say Jesus laid down His life as a ransom for all? Yes
3) Paying the price to redeem anybody does not equate with choosing to redeem everybody.
4) Recall those not redeemed go to Hades, undergo the resurrection of the dead, face Judgment and go into the Lake of Fire in Gehenna. Thus they "pay" for their sins. Only the unstudied equate the right of redemption with the fact of redemption. If you own an oil lease, you can extract the oil of your choice.

 

As predicted, we get Jesus died for the sins of the whole world.
The nutters claim world refers to the elect.
Real fundamentalists reject Calvinism, and believe Jesus bought those heading for swift destruction (2 Peter 2:1) which means the actual meaning of world is all humanity, those to be saved and those never to be saved. This is really simple.

Some claim the above "defies logic."

 

You assert that Jesus has bought (I interpret bought as ransomed, paid the price in total) the You assert that Jesus has bought (I interpret bought as ransomed, paid the price in total) the sins of all humanity when he died on the cross and rose again.

Do you see the problem that you must resolve when you make this claim? There is a very significant problem, in case you cannot see it. of all humanity when he died on the cross and rose again.

Do you see the problem that you must resolve when you make this claim? There is a very significant problem, in case you cannot see it.

I can tell that you do not see the problem.

When you declare that Jesus purchased the sins of all humanity, you therefore declare that all sins are wiped away and no longer judged by God. Every sinner is justified by God, irregardless of having faith or not having faith. In your claim, all humanity is fully purchased.
Van, you can cry all you want, but that is the fact of your claim. In your claim you entirely remove faith being necessary since everyone has been fully paid for. You remove the necessity for evangelism because everyone has already been paid for.

The only possible meaning in scripture that is accurate must be that Jesus ransom is limited to those who believe not to those who don't believe. For ALL who believe, the ransom is completed.

If we hold your contention we make God unjust and one who didn't pay for all sin. Instead you ultimately say that God paid for almost all sins...except for the sin of not having faith (unbelief).

Van, this is a significant problem for you.

Finally, if you are going to reply, speak directly to me. I am the one debating with you. You are addressing me. Thank you for that courtesy.

 

You are not debating me! You change the subject and hoist insults.

1) Does scripture say Jesus "bought" those heading for swift destruction? Yes 2 Peter 2:1
2) Does scripture say Jesus laid down His life as a ransom for all? Yes 1 Timothy 2:6
3) Paying the price to redeem anybody does not equate with choosing to redeem everybody. 2 Peter 2:1
4) Recall those not redeemed go to Hades, undergo the resurrection of the dead, face Judgment and go into the Lake of Fire in Gehenna. Thus they "pay" for their sins. Only the unstudied equate the right of redemption with the fact of redemption. If you own an oil lease, you can extract the oil of your choice.

 

Again, all limited the extent of the atonement, except for Universalist! Are you now in that camp?

 

Did God intend to have all lost sinners saved by the Cross of Chris then?

 

So God intended all sinners to get saved, but the creation can frustrate its creator?

 

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

The answer is no. Scripture does not say that Jesus bought those headed for swift destruction. I just quoted your reference and it does not make your claim.

Context is so very important here as Paul identifies how the word all is defined. Therefore we need to see the verses in front of verse 6.
1 Timothy 2:1-6 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.

All status groups are found in God's elective and Sovereign will.

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Again, this verse simply doesn't support your assertion. Did you mean to reference something else?

Honestly, I have no idea what you are attempting to argue in this point.
I think you are admitting that Jesus didn't ransom people who go to hell and later to the lake of fire. Is that what you are admitting?
Or are you saying that Jesus payment wasn't enough?