1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Will the Jews build a new temple in Jerusalem?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by robycop3, Nov 18, 2021.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2018
    Messages:
    17,828
    Likes Received:
    1,363
    Faith:
    Baptist
    That is an apostate interpertation in my view. You didn't even cite your text.

    [My view both the living and the unresurrected dead will see Christ when He suddenly appears. Hebrews 9:28, Matthew 24:27, Matthew 26:64, Revelation 1:7.]
     
    #121 37818, Nov 20, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2021
  2. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    21,242
    Likes Received:
    2,305
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    That might be in your view, but then again it does not seem that you know what is going on.
    Looks like you just oppose everything without considering the verses.
    There are 3 or 4 verses that say what I said..
    They have been posted so that tells me you are not reading the responses offered to you.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. Squire Robertsson

    Squire Robertsson Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2000
    Messages:
    15,371
    Likes Received:
    2,405
    Faith:
    Baptist
    May I suggest you use the same formulation the British Prime Minister uses in his\her question time in the House of Commons?
    I refer my Right Honourable Colleauge to the answer I gave at #Xx​
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  4. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2018
    Messages:
    17,828
    Likes Received:
    1,363
    Faith:
    Baptist
    You still did not provide your references.

    I had added the follow comment
     
  5. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    21,242
    Likes Received:
    2,305
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    Your view is ignoring what the text says

    You quote mt.24:27 as if it speaks of the second coming.
    Open to Mt24...look at 29-30

    Vs.30..after the tribulation described In.vs. 29
    It says;
    And then shall appear.....

    What appears?

    Is it Jesus returning physically?

    No.

    Then shall appear the SIGN....
    The sign of what?

    The sign.....of the Son of Man....
    Where is He?

    IN HEAVEN....do you see what it says?
    THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN.
    Jesus is in heaven....His coming in judgment....described assuming in the clouds of heaven.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    21,242
    Likes Received:
    2,305
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    I just answered you once again.
    Read it slowly with your bible open to the passage.
    Far from being an apostate view...it was held historically by many.
    What matters is what it says...
    The sign of the Son of man in Heaven.
    Vs 34 says this generation shall not pass UNTIL ALL THESE THINGS COME TO PASS.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  7. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    21,242
    Likes Received:
    2,305
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    You can see it in Luke 21:20-36
    Vs32-33
    Jesus warned them of the destruction of the temple,the destruction of Jerusalem. They listened and fled out when the city was surrounded.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,953
    Likes Received:
    708
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Much of what Jesus said did fulfill prophecy. You can keep the literal separate if you can spot its reference in the OT. When Jesus said he is the temple of God, it is literal for in Him dwells all of the fulness of God (the trinity) bodily. It depends on how much time you dedicate to OT studies.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,953
    Likes Received:
    708
    Faith:
    Baptist
    You are reading your ideas into Revelation and not learning what John is saying. It's called newspaper eisegesis. Hal Lindsey, the false prophet made millions doing this.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  10. Lodic

    Lodic Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2018
    Messages:
    1,437
    Likes Received:
    377
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Thank you for giving me Scriptures that you believe support your view. You are presenting your interpretation of those passages, and now I will provide my interpretation of them.

    In Matthew 24:15-21, Jesus is telling His immediate audience (you) that they will see the AOD that Daniel spoke of. When Jerusalem was surrounded by the Roman armies, they remembered what Jesus warned of and fled to the mountains of Pella (60 miles northeast of Jerusalem) to escape the tribulation. This escape was made possible when Cestius and his armies suddenly withdrew from the temple area. It would be impossible to escape a worldwide tribulation. In verses 16-20, Jesus refers to the strict Sabbath laws of 1st century Israel. The Christians would have been prohibited from traveling on the Sabbath due to the travel restrictions placed upon them by the religious leaders.

    "Never to be equaled again" - you have used that phrase to defend your position many times. Jesus was using hyperbole. We see similar language used in Ezekiel 5:9, Daniel 9:12, and many other places.

    Like you, I believe 2 Thessalonians 2 and Revelation 13 provide additional support for my view. The temple was still standing when 2 Thessalonians was written. Nero was the Man of Lawlessness. Likewise, Nero / the Roman Empire was the "Sea Beast" of Revelation 13.

    Finally, we must remember that the Scriptures are inspired, but our views and interpretations are not.
     
    #130 Lodic, Nov 21, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2021
    • Winner Winner x 1
  11. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2000
    Messages:
    14,396
    Likes Received:
    672
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Well, actually, Orthodox Jews have intended to do it for a long time, but that haven't had a place to do it. When the new temple is built, they'll resume it very quickly. And PETA won't be welcome or able to do anything about it.

    This is not to bring salvation, but to fulfill prophecy.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  12. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2000
    Messages:
    14,396
    Likes Received:
    672
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The key phrase Jesus used is "LET THE READER UNDERSTAND." That PROVES His words are meant for many others besides His immediate audience, that is His disciples.

    And His disciples did NOT see the AOD, as it still hasn't happened yet.

    And Jesus was NOT using hyperbole. He answered the disciples' questions literally. And, had the great trib occurred then, Jesus is long-overdue, as He said He'd return IMMEDIATELY AFTER it was over.

    Thus, there must be a new temple for the AOD to occur in. While declaring oneself to be God anywhere, any time is an abomination, Jesus was referring to ONE SUCH EVENT, which MUST take place in the temple in Jerusalem.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  13. Two Wings

    Two Wings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2021
    Messages:
    1,179
    Likes Received:
    224
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I think we need to specify WHICH AOD.

    I believe the AOD referenced in Daniel 12 is the dome of the rock. 1290 (years) from the cessation of the regular sacrifice (599BC in the 2nd Siege on Jerusalem which was known to Daniel/et al), will be the AOD standing in the holy place ... blessed is he who endures to the end 1335 (years)

    Yes, there will be another AOD (actually I think there are at least 3) ... antichrist's stopping the recently renewed regular sacrifice 1/2 way through the 7 year confirmed covenant.
     
    #133 Two Wings, Nov 21, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2021
  14. Two Wings

    Two Wings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2021
    Messages:
    1,179
    Likes Received:
    224
    Faith:
    Baptist
    first sentence: totally agree.
    second ... ??? Jesus has already come in judgement?

    Then what are we doing here? Is this the millennial reign for a bonus millennium? I sure hope not.
     
  15. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,953
    Likes Received:
    708
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Jesus destroyed the Pharisee's Millennial Kingdom ideas if you pay close attention to the gospel of the Kingdom preached by Jesus in the gospels. But keep in mind, only the born-again can see it.
     
  16. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    21,242
    Likes Received:
    2,305
    Faith:
    Non Baptist Christian
    He did not physically come to earth.
    The language indicates He came.in the form of judgment upon apostate Jerusalem. The theocracy was ended.
    Jesus rules in the midst of His enemies.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  17. Two Wings

    Two Wings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2021
    Messages:
    1,179
    Likes Received:
    224
    Faith:
    Baptist
    perhaps, but why would He tell John in the very book titled Revelation ... if there isn't a literal 1000 year reign on this rock as it is (Valley of Meggido cleaned-up by the remaining Jews during the 7 year wedding feast/bema seat in Heaven) ...

    then what is our reference?

    I'm no Jewish scholar, so perhaps your categorizing "Pharisee's Millennium" is not the one Jesus said would happen with His heirs and the one I reference (and the period referenced in this thread)
     
  18. Two Wings

    Two Wings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2021
    Messages:
    1,179
    Likes Received:
    224
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Copy that ... but we're discussing the literal Return of Christ ... the establishment of the reign of Christ prior to the eternal dispatching of Satan, after Jesus' Second Coming/Wrath of The Lamb.
     
  19. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2018
    Messages:
    17,828
    Likes Received:
    1,363
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Acts of the Apostles 1:11, ". . . Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. . . ." Hebrews 9:28 there is only one second appearing, ". . . unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time . . . ." And 1 John 3:2 has not happened yet.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  20. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2018
    Messages:
    17,828
    Likes Received:
    1,363
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Even though the pre-millennium [Revelation 20:4-6] is not one of the 5 tenets given as "fundamentalism" it is explicitly a fundamental of the faith as the second appearing of Christ. And what "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled" are referring to what are cited to be seen in Matthew 24:29-31. And that one event is yet future. Hebrews 9:28, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, 1 Corinthians 15:52.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...