Featured Did Christ Die For The Sin Of Unbelief?

I wish the OP would give the reference as to exactly where that is in Owen's work. (I know it's there but I just can't find it and anyone who's tried to read that will understand). The reason I ask is that I wonder if he is refuting the idea that God operates conditionally in salvation in that Jesus has died and now waits to see who will meet the necessary "condition", which is that they believe. I know that Owen was not arguing that someone will be saved that does not believe, but I also know that he did not think God has to sit back and wait for people to meet certain conditions in order for them to be saved.

 

It ended as noted in John 19:28. And in John 19:30 Jesus physically died for His burial and the resurrection. Per Isaiah 53:9, ". . . he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; . . ." Hebrew deaths.

 

What was finished at John 19:28 that Jesus said was finished John 19:30 before He phyically died and was no longer being foresaken by His Father?

John 19:28, ". . . Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, . . ." The very same word and grammar translated as "It is finished."

 

It ended before John 19:28. Did you not understand that?
τετελεσται treanslated as "accomplished"
John 19;30, τετελεσται translated as "It is finished"
That word in that grammar is only used twice in the whole NT.

 

1 John 5

9If we receive the testimony of people, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son. 10The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. 11And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.


Reading the above it state what is the testimony. It states there are those who believe the testimony and those who don't.

Those who believe in the son of God believe the testimony. Those who don't make God a liar, "the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son."

What is the Testimony? what is the person not believing? What are they saying God is a liar about?

Its right there in verse 11: 11And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

So the one's who DO believe believe God has given them eternal life and that life is in his son.

The one's who DO NOT BELIEVE believe God has NOT given them eternal life and that life is NOT in his son.

If we were to follow the Logic that Jesus DID NOT DIE for the unbeliever.

Than the unbeliever IS NOT MAKING GOD A LIAR, the unbeliever is telling the "TRUTH" The "truth" being God has not given me eternal life and that life is not in his son.

The actual TRUTH is God has given them eternal life and that life is in his son. Because they do not believe this TRUTH they make God a liar.

 

Before John 19:28 regarding 1 Peter 3:18 and Psalms 22:1? Jesus was yet to die phyically, John 19:30.

 

It is very simple. There is what was finished before John 19:28. what was it? I am of the persuation it was the atonement. The physical death was in John 19:30.

 

As to the question of this thread, Jesus answered it in Luke 22:20, ". . . This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. . . ," "You" inclueded the unbelieving Judas.

 

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If you are willing to go with Owen in the sense that the atonement encompasses the actual shedding of blood and the forgiveness of sins in that one act at that single point in time I don't see how you can argue with Owen. But I also know that for a lot of Calvinists even, no one's sins including unbelief are forgiven until they come to Christ. So the answer is that the sin of unbelief is not forgiven for the elect even - until they believe. But what you have to realize is that for the classic Calvinist like Owen you cannot separate out various aspects of our salvation like we do with our modern minds. So Owen would not have worried that the atonement was in God's mind from eternity past and that it happened at a specific day around 2000 years ago. But while he was sure of the total atonement for the elect - he was just as sure of their being given the new birth, faith, repentance and all the graces at the appropriate time. So I think he was trying to point out the absurdity of taking one part of our salvation and then starting the "well what if" this or that situation.

 

τετελεσται Paid in full. Once not twice. What was paid in full was done before ". . .Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished . . . ." Paid in full. His physical death came afterwards.

 

According to the last supper, Jesus is the Passover Lamb who was slain to save His people via covenant between God and man. Those with whom God has made covenant are saved. Those who are not in covenant are damned in their sin.

 

Unbelief is no more than an iniquity, and Christs death for one redeems an effects from all iniquity Titus 2:14

14 who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

If one Christ died for dies in unbelief, then it rendered His Death ineffective.33