Belief not a gift

[SavedByGrace]

Will any non-Calvinist please answer the seven propositions with a simple yes or no to each?

It seems to be Kryptonite to non-Calvinists.

Because you are trying to show that God only has mercy on the elect and hardens the rest, which is anti Biblical and an insult to Death of Jesus Christ

 

[Revmitchell]

Now, if you "decide" to believe as I have described above, do you not see how you can say your faith was a gift? You wouldn't have believed without the HS. Otherwise, why pray for folks - they're gonna have to decide on their own.

I am quite sure your question is sincere but it is odd. One does not lead to the other. However, I have stated clearly that I believe God sends someone to preach the gospel. The gospel does the internal work at that point (Hebrews 4:12) and God regenerates after belief. The word of God produces belief (Romans 10:17).

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Because you are trying to show that God only has mercy on the elect and hardens the rest, which is anti Biblical and an insult to Death of Jesus Christ

"Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden." (Romans 9:18)

 

[SavedByGrace]

"Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden." (Romans 9:18)

Why do you ignore 11.32???

 

[Revmitchell]

Care to elaborate?

I am going to need you to be more specific than just the chapter. Which verses specifically?

 

[Iconoclast]

God has elected a multitude of dead sinners. Eph 2 explains part of the saving and regenerating grace that is effectual.
Jesus explained the unseen work of the Spirit
In Jn3.3-12

 

[SavedByGrace]

God has elected a multitude of dead sinners. Eph 2 explains part of the saving and regenerating grace that is effectual.
Jesus explained the unseen work of the Spirit
In Jn3.3-12

The whole Bible does not reach this. It is reformed theology

 

[Van]

Only reformed theology has the answers you are looking for.

You claim, as usual, that God cannot be righteous if He condemns people for rejecting the gospel if they are unable.

I point that scripture tells us all people have already rejected God and stand condemned when they reject what God reveals of Himself in creation. That is the teaching of scripture.

That God choses some for salvation, and brings them into a right relationship with Himself, based on His will and His purpose, is the demonstration of His mercy and grace.

Your question has been answered according to scripture. Accept it or not, but whatever you do won’t change the truth.

peace to you

Repeating deflection is simply obfuscation. You and Calvinism have no answer to why a person unable to accept God's revelation makes God a liar. They took no action.

I did not claim God is not righteous, I claimed the idea that all the lost are unable to comprehend God's revelation is unbiblical nonsense.

God credits the beliefs of some and places them into Christ. This is the fundamental truth of the gospel being denied.

Every verse that proclaims this truth is said not to mean what it says. 2 Thessalonians 2:13, James 2:5, Romans 4:23-24.
Every verse that says "through faith" is claimed by Calvinism to mean "not through faith" but saved then given faith.
Every verse that says "his faith" or "your faith" does not mean what it says, it means 'his God instilled faith" and "your God instilled faith.

The list is large and compelling.

 

[Iconoclast]

The whole Bible does not reach this. It is reformed theology

The Bible does not teach Eph.1-4???
You who were deadee, even as others,
But God who is rich in Mercy...says that in every Bible.
you say the Apostles taught reformed theology here in Eph.2.
I agree.That is why and the others believe it!

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Why do you ignore 11.32???

What do you do with Romans 9:18? Is it true or not? Scripture does not contradict Scripture. Does God grant mercy to every single human being -- past present and future? Obviously not. He has his elect ones who were elected before the world was formed. His elect are from every, nation, tribe, language and people --scattered across the globe both Jews and Gentiles.

Look at Galatians 3:22 "But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe."

So everyone left to their sinful natures are caught in a prison of sorts. Their sin is so offensive to God that every single person would be eternally condemned. Therefore, if anyone Gentile or Jew is going to be saved it rests solely on God's mercy. "So that he might have mercy on them all" (Romans 11:32) means all without distinction --not without exception. Otherwise all would be saved. But all who are saved are saved by mercy --by grace alone.

 

[SavedByGrace]

The Bible does not teach Eph.1-4???
You who were dead, even as others,
But God who is rich in Mercy...says that in every Bible.

And John 3.16 tells us MORE about God's Rich Love for the entire human race

 

[Iconoclast]

And John 3.16 tells us MORE about God's Rich Love for the entire human race

yes it does.God lovedHis children worldwide.
In jn3...they are described as everyone believing and continuing on in a state of believing.
The same processPaul taught in Eph 2.which you descibed as reformed theology happens to each and every elect sheep.

 

[Iconoclast]

And John 3.16 tells us MORE about God's Rich Love for the entire human race

yes it does.God lovedHis children worldwide.
In jn3...they are described as everyone believing and continuing on in a state of believing.
The same processPaul taught in Eph 2.which you descibed as reformed

 

[SavedByGrace]

What do you do with Romans 9:18? Is it true or not? Scripture does not contradict Scripture. Does God grant mercy to every single human being -- past present and future? Obviously not. He has his elect ones who were elected before the world was formed. His elect are from every, nation, tribe, language and people --scattered across the globe both Jews and Gentiles.

Look at Galatians 3:22 "But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe."

So everyone left to their sinful natures are caught in a prison of sorts. Their sin is so offensive to God that every single person would be eternally condemned. Therefore, if anyone Gentile or Jew is going to be saved it rests solely on God's mercy. "So that he might have mercy on them all" (Romans 11:32) means all without distinction --not without exception. Otherwise all would be saved. But all who are saved are saved by mercy --by grace alone.

here is your error in understanding what 11:32 says, in the Greek Paul writes, "ἐλεήσῃ", which is in the subjunctive mood, "MIGHT have Mercy". This "mood" is "conditional", because the sinner must first "repent and believe in the Gospel" about Jesus Christ, BEFORE they can get saved. This verse in the context, does not say that God WILL have Mercy on the ALL.

Further, this is proved from the previous sentence in this verse, "For God has consigned all to disobedience". Are you saying that the ALL here is only the "elect", which of course must mean, that the "non-elect" have not been so "consigned" by God, which is absurd! BOTH the Jews and Gentiles, which is the entire human race, as you were either one of the two, are included in the ALL upon whom God MIGHT have Mercy!

 

[Reformed1689]

I am going to need you to be more specific than just the chapter. Which verses specifically?

Let's start with verses 35-51

 

[Reformed1689]

God does NOT drag or force anyone to come to Him!

Take it up with Scripture, it says he does in fact do just that.

 

[Reformed1689]

I will not pursue it further or farther, because your non answer reveals that Calvinism has no answer.

Says the king of non answers....

 

[SavedByGrace]

yes it does.God lovedHis children worldwide.
In jn3...they are described as everyone believing and continuing on in a state of believing.
The same processPaul taught in Eph 2.which you descibed as reformed theology happens to each and every elect sheep.

The use of Kosmos here in 3:16, cannot mean the "elect", because we are told that the "whoever believes" OUR OF this WORLD, used here, will be saved. This means that there are SOME out of this ELECT WORLD, if we so understand it, will not be saved! The reformed theologian, Robert Dabney said that it was ABRURD to take WORLD here to mean ELECT, and he is 100% RIGHT. John Calvin says that it means, "everyone without exception"!

There you have it, IF you are willing to accept what the Bible says!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Take it up with Scripture, it says he does in fact do just that.

did you know, when Jesus says, "So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen" (Matthew 20:26), that the Greek adjective, κλητός, means "INVITED"? Does this indicate to you DRAG or FORCE?

You are the one who is FORCING your own theology on the Word of God, and you will always FAIL!

 

[Reformed1689]

The use of Kosmos here in 3:16, cannot mean the "elect", because we are told that the "whoever believes" OUR OF this WORLD, used here, will be saved. This means that there are SOME out of this ELECT WORLD, if we so understand it, will not be saved! The reformed theologian, Robert Dabney said that it was ABRURD to take WORLD here to mean ELECT, and he is 100% RIGHT. John Calvin says that it means, "everyone without exception"!

There you have it, IF you are willing to accept what the Bible says!

Please cite references.