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Can Women be pastors and Elders is the question, not if they can be teachers

 

Women can teach, just not as Pastors or Elders

 

Don't pastors and elders teach the Word of God?

Again, who cares? In 20 years, a robot will probably be doing the preaching and teaching.

This is only problematic if there is something more to the actual office described in the New Testament. That is the elephant in the room.

 

I showed you scripture. Women can not teach men in church. It is prohibited. Does not matter what Mac says. The Scripture is plain. Refute it. You are trying to move the discussion toward do women have an ability to teach. That is not the discussion. The discussion is are they allowed by Scripture. There are numerous homosexuals in the pulpit. That does not mean they are allowed to preach or allowed to be homosexuals. By your logic, being homosexual is ok as long as you can do it and are good at it.

 

What does it mean to be preaching?

Does does it mean to be an elder?

What exactly is doing church?


Elephants in the room

 

So Pastors means shepherds. Certainly woman can shepherd.
Regarding elders, Paul does not specifically say they can be, but heal also does not specifically exclude them. What we have is Paul addressing elders as men, but not excluding it to men only. If we take that passage as absolutely rigid literal then no single man or married man without children that are at least 5 years old could ever be a pastor or an elder. Does your church exclude singles and childless from the office?
Also, many Baptist churches don't even have elders. They have a church council, made up of men and women, as well as a deacon board that functions in a quasi deacon/elder role with men and women participating. In that structure, pastors intermix their title between pastor and elder, but then no lay person is considered an elder.
In other words, many Baptist churches have a non-biblical governance.

 

What verses support that position?

 

There is a spiritual headship principle in play on this issue, as Scriptures very clear that the man is the one instituted by God as headship over the church and family!

 

Paul specifically excludes women as elders.
An Elder has authority in the church and an Elder must be able to teach in the congregation. Paul plainly said that a woman is not permitted to have authority over a man in church and is prohibited from teaching a man.

 

No!
Scripture says Christ Jesus is.

Colossians 1:18
"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."

 

Or more accurately in this case, goats lead sheep astray.

 

I know what you think. I know that you also are leaning on one verse and not actually addressing the issue of can versus should.

 

Nothing to address. Paul plainly said can not. He said it was shameful or disgraceful.

 

He said only a married man with children that are well disciplined can be an elder. Do you deny all men who don't meet that exact criterion from being elders? Come now, Reynolds, be consistent in everything and take it entirely literally.
My point has been made. I showed you scripture. You are free to interpret otherwise. I simply expect you to consistently interpret all passages the same way.
I wonder how Paul stated that men should be deacons, yet Paul called Phoebe a deaconness. Hmmm....

 

You have shown no Scripture that supports your position. I actually do hold that only a man with a well disciplined family can be an elder. The exception would be the man who has remained unmarried for the sole reason of service to God. Paul specifically granted that exception.