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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reynolds, Mar 20, 2022.

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  1. Eternally Grateful

    Eternally Grateful Active Member

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    No

    You claim you know what they are.

    I want to hear what YOU THINK I believe.

    Are are you just going to run, because you are afraid you do not understand what I believe?
     
    #61 Eternally Grateful, Mar 21, 2022
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    I think tribalism is a problem on all sides, unfortunately.
     
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    It is. Calvinism lends itself to be a greater issue simply because it is a more tight knit group (non-Calvinims is a much broader category).

    Thankfully there are cooler minds on all sides as well. But most of the time they have enough common sence not to get involved in antics. :Wink
     
    #63 JonC, Mar 21, 2022
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    No, all men refers to both Jews and Greeks, not individuals.
     
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    In total free will, nobody gets saved. You realize this right? Free will means we choose what we desire.
     
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    He eludes to it here. I will find more links where he goes into more detail.

     
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    You being here excluded you from the avoiding.
     
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    Another instance of him having to admit, in his round about way, that Calvinism is hard to reconcile to some passages.
     
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    Ok, maybe I missed it, but I don't even see where he eludes to it here...
     
    #69 Reformed1689, Mar 21, 2022
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    Ok, maybe I missed it, but I don't even see where he eludes to it here...
    Saying Calvinism is hard to reconcile is not the same as saying that some verses support arminianism....
     
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    Your free will no one would get saved.

    Because no one could come to the point of being poor in spirit and call out on the name to be saved,
     
    #71 Eternally Grateful, Mar 21, 2022
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    What do you actually believe about the soteriology of God. I will give you an actual chance to be precise and clear on the subject.
     
    #72 AustinC, Mar 21, 2022
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    Can you find one that is not?:Sick
     
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    In my free will, which is the true free will not the humanistic fantasy free will, the people who God chooses to save are saved.
     
    #74 Reformed1689, Mar 21, 2022
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    The problem is that the Calvinists most active on this board cannot understand how God can be sovereign, how everything is ultimately predestined to transpire a certain way, yet men also have a freedom of the will.

    To them, if you dare deny that God decreed them to salvation against their will (at the time of the decree) then you are saying you saved yourself.

    That is just how "Cage Stage Calvinism" works. It shoukd be a dhort lived overzealous time for newly discovered doctrine, but some get trapped there for a lifetime. If you do not completely submit to their ideas then you hold the most extreme view opposite theirs and are an enemy to be defeated.

    To quote James White -"they have more zeal than they have knowledge".
     
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    This post is just false. First, Jon doesn't understand Calvinists, at least not this one, second, he doesn't understand free will, third, he puts for the false charge of Cage Stage Calvinism. In short, he has no idea what he is talking about.
     
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    Where do you come up with these dumb ideas? Your calvinism has warped your mind.

    Read the text of the bible without adding or taking away from it. Do you really think the Holy Spirit does not know what He wants to say.

    Further to your comment are you a Jew or are you Greek because if you are not one or the other your toast, as in your doomed to hell because Christ Jesus did not call you. Do you see how off center your theology is?
     
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    Context. Does John 12:32 Go Against The Doctrines of Grace?

    And as for me, I am a gentile so I would fall in the Greek category.
     
    #78 Reformed1689, Mar 21, 2022
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    Well since the DoG are just something that the calvinists hold onto it really does not matter to me. What is the DoG anyway?

    So now we agree that Joh 12:32 means that Christ Jesus draws ALL to Himself. Now if you want to say that {draws G1670} means drag then you are jumping into the universalist camp. Not a good place to be.
     
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    Even non-reformed commentators state that this is talking about Jew/Gentile, not individuals.
     
    #80 Reformed1689, Mar 21, 2022
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