Did a C or A say this?

All does not mean all individuals, you obviously did not read my link. It is Jew/Gentile. You are ignoring context if you say otherwise.

 

It's really a difference of understanding in regard to free will.
Some think that any ability to choose is equal to free will. If that's the definition, then sure. But, that's not the definition I use.
I recognize that God tells us we are either slaves to sin or slaves to righteousness. (Slaves to Satan or Slaves to God) There is no freedom for human beings. The entire recording of freedom from Egypt to be held under God's Old Covenant is a foreshadowing of this truth. Freedom is not an option.

Therefore, humans can make choices within the confines of their slavery. What they cannot do is choose a new master all by themselves. They were born in sin, under its mastery. They cannot get free from this slaveholder. They cannot choose a new slaveholder. They can only live within that slavery and try to make the best of it that they can. Look out for self and try enjoy the time in figurative "Egypt." What they need is a great Redeemer who will set them free from "Pharaoh" and lead them to the Promised Land. That person must come, break the chains and then establish a New Covenant with them as they serve their new Redeemer. Under their new Redeemer there are choices that can be made, but once redeemed, the person who was Redeemed cannot unredeem themselves. That's not in the list of choices available.

So, free will, as in truly being free, does not exist. It is a figment of an ignorant imagination.

 

And humanistic philosophy.

 

Who do you think make up the Jews and Gentiles. But to be clear, when Christ Jesus says that he will call ALL to Himself. Do you think he is calling the words Jew & Gentile or do you think He is calling people that fit into those groups to Himself?

 

This is not difficult. He is saying salvation is not for Jews alone. He is not addressing individuals in this passage.

 

I honestly don't think you know what you believe and just spout off anything that comes to mind that will rile people up.

 

Really then you do not understand logic. Who do you think get saved? individuals or people groups.

 

That literally has nothing to do with John 12:32

 

Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
Joh 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself."

You keep saying context but you seem to ignore context. Do you not think that Christ Jesus would know what "WORLD" means or for that matter "ALL".

You are clouding your mind with calvinist thought and ignoring the clear text so as to make it work with your theology.

 

Dr Bob may have been wrong in his comment, sometimes it is just hardheartedness that is the problem. You have closed your heart and mind to the truth of the bible.

 

On the contrary, I actually believe the Bible.

 

I bolded your false statement.

If God had a will exactly like mine, I would be the richest man in the world who ran everything and you would be my servant. Now, we all know that isn't happening, so your statement is just silly talk.

Jon, I assume you are a lone wolf who has no persons who either know what it is you actually believe and if they did, they wouldn't agree with you anyway. I have not met anyone more vague and shifty than you are here at the BB.

 

No, you are the one isolating verses, I'm looking at the whole passage. It is clear, and commentators on both sides of the issue agree, this is talking about Jews and Gentiles, not individuals.

 

Your words on here do not indicate that, as you try to twist scripture to fit your theological view instead of letting the bible determine your theological view.

 

What do you think Jews & Gentiles are made up of? Your lack of understanding of basic logic is troubling. Then again perhaps that explains why you are a calvinist.

 

It does not matter who they are made up of.

 

That was what I did before accepting reformed positions. I'm not that blind or stubborn anymore.

 

Kinda like you in this post?