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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, Mar 22, 2022.

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  1. Silverhair

    Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    "he did not die for all. If he did, all would be saved."

    That only applies in your calvinist theology, not the bible.
     
    #121 Silverhair, Mar 24, 2022
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    Still salty over me calling you out for posting an anti-Calvinist remark in an irrelevant thread? At least be honest about the situation since you frequently accuse other of being "fallacious."
     
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    If Christ paid for this sins of all, and all are not saved, then God is not just and Christ is not powerful enough to save.
     
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    No, those GIVEN by the Father, are the ones that come.
     
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    Where do you see in Scripture where it teaches that God selects based on knowing who believes? That's not anywhere in Scripture.
     
    #125 Reformed1689, Mar 24, 2022
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    Except nobody seeks God. That's the problem you keep ignoring.
     
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    Nope
     
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    What, might I ask, is flying in the face of what the Bible tells us about God? The view being parroted about God being All-Loving and ignoring also his holiness, justice, wrath, etc. His other attributes don't just stop because he is love.
     
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    Read this thread, I've posted plenty of Scripture.
     
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    And here we have a strawman saying nobody but a Calvinist can interpret Scripture. Never claimed that. If he wanted all to be saved, all would be saved. Not sure what is so hard to understand about that. So, either the Bible is wrong, or your interpretation is wrong. Which do you think it is?
     
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    Yes, if you are not chosen, you are doomed to hell because of your sin. Correct. That is EXACTLY what Scripture states. God is not responsible for their sin. They are condemned because of their sin. He did not choose to save them.
     
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    Such a dishonest post. I've dealt with your nonsense.
     
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    Verse 45 doesn't change anything.
     
    #133 Reformed1689, Mar 24, 2022
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    I don't think John 6:45 is the verse you want to cite to prove your point.
     
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    Exactly, and the fact that they think it is a verse to use again just shows they cannot (or will not) read in context.
     
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    There is your theology again.
     
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    So do you believe Christ TOOK OUR PLACE on the cross? Paid our debt for us? If so, no, that is not my theology agian.
     
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    The ones the hear and learn. Remember context.
     
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    31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.

    we must read different bibles

    Your right, A believer will not be judged according to their sin. But a non believer must be judged for their works. Did they earn salvation.

    they will be found wanting..

    again, it does not say they will be judged for their sin. See matt 12. ALL/EVERY SIN WILL BE FORGIVEN MEN
     
    #139 Eternally Grateful, Mar 24, 2022
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    That's called foreknowledge. You mean to tell me that your version of God does not have that.
     
    #140 Silverhair, Mar 24, 2022
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