Featured Can The Case Be Made That Christ Died For All?

He died for His sheep. John 10:15, ". . . I lay down my life for the sheep. . . ." And in John 10:16, ". . . other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. . . ." That was then before He had died and rose again. All that wes said was to those John wrote about. There is nothing for us today, if the general redemption is not true anywhere in the New Testament.

 

And there in lays the real problem of calvinism. You do not even understand basic scripture. You have been shown your errors many times and you still refuse to remove the blinders.

Your comprehension skills need to be worked on. You continue to attack the bible as a way to justify your theology. Your trying to teach another gospel.

 

Then the whole story is a meaningless joke. Epistemology makes you understanding wrong.

 

It is hearing the gospel and being convicted by it that makes a person realize that they are a sinner in need of salvation. When they believe the gospel and call out to God He will save them because they have faith not so that He will give them faith.

You are trying to make the bible fit into your theology, that is wrong. I am puzzled as to why you have such a hard time believing the bible.

 

No. The 'hypers' don't conflate 'saved' with 'born from above'.

 

By your own words you limit the gospel message. "I don't tell ANYONE Christ died for their sin, because I do not know that to be true. I tell them Christ died for those who would believe in him."
How can you not know that Christ Jesus died for their sins, do you deny scripture or just ignore what it says.
Rom_5:6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom_5:8 ... while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Are we all sinners, YES. Did Christ Jesus come to save those sinners, YES.
1Ti_1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

So if we all sin and Christ came to save sinners that would mean that He came to save all and we confirm that idea when we read
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

So don't limit the gospel message by telling a half truth. Why not tell people the whole truth.
2Co 5:14 ...that one died for all,
2Co 5:19 ...that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself,
1Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
1Ti 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all,
1Ti 4:10 ... who is the Savior of all men,

 

You are arguing against the bible by your DoG. So I ask why do you deny what the bible says?

 

Well if you follow the DoG then it is not scripture that you follow.

 

Strange comment coming form one that limits what God can do.

 

Of Jesus did not die for all. He lied. Plain and simple. He told nicodemus a flat out lie.

 

1Ti 4:10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

You keep saying you follow the DoG but then say that it is a position you do not actually hold. So which is it?

If you hold to the DoG then how do you reconcile that view with the scriptures listed above.

The Gospel call in calvinism is not a well meant call or sincere offer. Only those that are included in the Unconditional Election will partake of the Limited Atonement and will be drawn to God by His Irresistible Grace. So all men do not have an equal chance to know or trust in God. Their own theology precludes this, but they just do not want to acknowledge that fact.

How do you square the scriptures with DoG. If your calvinist view is in fact true you should be able to make a solid case.

Calvinist theology has made the good faith offer of salvation moot. If, according to Calvinism, you are not part of this select group then you are doomed form the start. And on top of that God has even decreed just the way you will act out your sinful life and then condemns you for it.

 

To further demonstrate how sadistic the God of Calvinism is, the progenitor taught that God will actually deceive people into thinking they are elect, illumining their minds into thinking they are saved, only to pull the rug out from under them at the end...

“Nor do I even deny that God illumines their [reprobates] minds to this extent, that they recognize his grace; but that conviction he distinguishes from the peculiar testimony which he gives to his elect in this respect, that the reprobate never attain to the full result or to fruition. When he shows himself propitious to them, it is not as if he had truly rescued them from death, and taken them under his protection. He only gives them a manifestation of his present mercy.” (Institutes, 3.2.11)

This God of Calvinism is very similar to the God of Islam. Both act with pure will and contra-Logos.