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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, Apr 28, 2022.

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  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    This is your definition of general redemption?
    I am not following your thought.
    Are you saying that there is a one time chance to hear God's sales pitch and if you don't jump on the invitation the first time around, then it is impossible to choose afterwards?
    Again, I am not following your thought here.
     
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    What payment are you talking about that would still be required?
     
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    You must have a special kind of bible, one just for calvinists. The real bible has
    1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
     
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    1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

    Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
    Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
    Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
    Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
    Rom 3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
    Rom 3:26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
     
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    I do not understand argument here.
     
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    Without Christ having.bought the whole of all mankind paying for their sins. The lost cannot know Christ died for them before they believe.
     
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    I do understand the context, but Acts 13:48 makes the point that only those appointed unto eternal life believed. Not every Gentile believed, but only those who were appointed unto eternal life.
     
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    Wonderful verse, it's in my Bible too. What I notice it does not say is this:

    And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for every man and woman that has ever walked the earth.

    Yep, doesn't say that, so the burden would be on you to make it say that.
     
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    Do you not believe in Penal Substitutionary Atonement?
     
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    No what you do not veil is that you are a humanist.
     
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    Believe me, I did. You do not argue against the DoG, rather, you argue against a fantastical version of it made up by yourself and not what is actually believed or argued.
     
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    Even if that were true, that still doesn't solve the problem of the debt payment being required twice for those who do not believe.
     
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    Asking other Calvies here, do any of you believe that we are saved before conversion?
     
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    I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
     
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    I don't tell ANYONE Christ died for their sin, because I do not know that to be true. I tell them Christ died for those who would believe in him.
     
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    Those appointed were the Jews and Gentiles not just Jews. Nothing about individualistic salvation
     
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    This questions leaves me without understanding
     
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    Of course you don't.
     
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    And there is no Scripture that actually teaches that.
     
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    No.
    God calls us from death to new life and in so doing, saves us by his gracious act.
    We immediately respond in action of repentance and faith to believe.
     
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