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Did not say that God was obligated but I did say He is just. But you do not deal with His justice. As is usual you make a number of strawman comments that you feel you can defeat.

Does God desire that all be saved, YES. Has He provided the way for man to be saved, YES. Has He placed a condition on how one may access that salvation, YES.

But under your calvinist theology the offer of salvation is moot. According to calvinism He has picked out a select group to be saved and the rest have no chance to be saved. It is not their sin that prevents them it is the calvinist god that does that.

Calvinism has made the gospel of no value. Christ Jesus did not have to go to the cross for the calvinist as they were already picked out and according to calvinist whatever He has decreed will surely happen. Remember that according to calcinism God has decreed unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass.

Only those that are included in the Unconditional Election will partake of the Limited Atonement and will be drawn to God by His Irresistible Grace. So all men do not have an equal chance to know or trust in God. The calvinist theology precludes this, but they just do not want to acknowledge that fact.

So because of calvinist theology
The absolutely elect must have been saved without Christ Jesus;
and the non-elect cannot be saved by him.

The bible is very clear that God makes a bona fide offer of salvation to all people everywhere (Joh_3:16-18; Joh_3:36; Joh_5:24; Joh_12:32; Rom_10:9, Rom_10:13). Anyone can be saved by repenting of his sins and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, if a person is lost, it is because he chooses to be lost, not because God desires it.

 

Friend, you and I see these passages differently.

As a Calvinist, I happily confess that there is an outward call of the Gospel. As an example, when a Gospel message is preached, all within hearing range are under the outward call of the Gospel. However, only those appointed unto eternal life believe (Acts 13:48).

 

Yes God is just, but let us not conflate His justice with fairness. Him being just means He gives what they deserve, not that He has to call everyone. That turns justice into obligation.

 

So is it a joke not to believe in the general redemption? Who is the owner the lost deny that bought them how, in 2 Peter 2:1? Who is that owner? How did that owner buy them?

 

Wow. I believe in the general redemption because of the particular purpose of the redemption. I affirm the general redemption and you admit to deny it It makes those on one side of this argument or the other false teachers in this matter, does it not? This is not escapable.

 

I cannot find a definition for general redemption anywhere, except for a law journal on stocks and bonds.
Here's one definition of redemption:
Redemption means to secure the release or recovery of persons or things by the payment of a price. It is a covenantal legal term closely associated with ransom, atonement, substitution, and deliverance, thus salvation. Theologically, redemption refers ultimately to the saving work of Christ, who came to accomplish our redemption by giving his life in substitution for our own as the ransom price.

In this definition, where do you see a general work of God on behalf of every human ever created?

Was the price only partially paid and then the human had to act before the rest of the price was paid? Is the secured release contingent upon human actions, but withdrawn if humans don't act?

How is redemption 100% of God if that person ultimately isn't redeemed?
Do you have a working definition of General Redemption, because I cannot find one.

Redemption - The Gospel Coalition

 

Actually for God to be called JUST He has to behave according to what is morally equitable and impartial. If He gives an advantage to one group over another but then judges each group by the same standard He is not being just.

Are we all sinners,YES. Do we all deserve His wrath, YES. Under calvinism do we all have an equal chance to be saved, NO. Therefore God, under calvinism, would not be just.

 

Then you reject scripture.

 

You just keep chasing your tail…

#RoundAndRoundAndRoundAndRound

 

Still running away, you try to deflect because you can not answer the question. Typical.

 

Typical non answer.

 

Election is not based upon who Joe, John, Jane, Jimmy, Jose, Juanita, are or what they do. It’s based solely upon Him…So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.[Romans 9:18 NASB]

 

Typical humanism showing.

#PullUpYourHumanisticPantsBruh