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Featured The Vain Fool, Child of Pride, Son of Folly Who Replies Against God's Sovereignty

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Nov 11, 2022.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    See post #14 above.
     
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    But if you later said that, then the hearer would be foolish if he denied that you said that.
     
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    The Bible NEVER, EVER says that Christ died for the goats. Christ ONLY died for the sheep. Period.

    You believe that there will be people in hell for whom Christ paid their sin debt. You don't understand how wrong that is. I was that way, too, until God gave me eyes to see and ears to hear His gospel and saved me.
     
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    Not using those words.
    2 Peter 2:1, ". . . But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. . . ."
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    Jude 1:4, ". . . For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to thisondemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. . . ."
     
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    What's your point? Are you assuming that 'swift destruction' and 'this condemnation' automatically only means eternal damnation to hell? Is eternal torment the only way God punishes?
     
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    Ken read the whole bible not just your "proof texts". Your error is that you are trusting in your calvinism rather than the bible.
     
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    So not all those who bring ". . . damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, . . ." are actually lost?
     
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    Yes they just will not accept what the bible says when they read it. Rather they depend upon man to tell them what the bible says. So it is not the bible they believe but some man.
     
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    You really need to trust the bible and make it your authority.
     
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    You keep reading that into the text so that it fits your theology. You continue to deny scripture.
     
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    Well according to your calvinism Christ died only for the elect so that is not a change in the question. But the verses you have posted do not support your view BF. You continue to inject your philosophy into the text of the bible.
     
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    Who are the sheep, those who hear the gospel and believe the gospel and are saved. But that still does not support your errant view that He only died for the sheep. The bible says He died for all but for some reason you do not believe this.
     
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    What is "BF"?
     
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    How so?
     
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    Do you believe that Christ paid for a person's sin debt and then that person pays for them as well?
     
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    I believe that there are wages of sin. I don't believe in a "sin debt".

    I'm asking why you equate Christ as the Propitiation for the sins of the whole world (without exception) to Universalism.
     
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    As others have stated, God creating people who are evil then rejecting the majority and forcing salvation on others, if it were true, would mean that God is not good.
     
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    The Gentile world, not just of the Jews.
     
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    You need to have, "a sin debt",
    in order to be Saved.
     
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    Who is telling you this junk.
    I'll deal with them.
     
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