Featured "Righteous faith"

No. You said that. You said that a person is not saved when he believes unless the Lord credits his faith as righteousness. I have said that Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved' but they need to persevere in the faith, which they will do if they are God's elect, because the Lord Jesus will not lose even one of those whom the Father has given Him.

Not with me it isn't. But you have this bizarre theory that people believe in Christ entirely under their own steam (contra John 6:44; 1 Corinthians 2:14) but that then God comes along and rules their faith out of order.

Because your understanding of Greek is minimal . The semantic range of most Greek prepositions is huge and the meaning is often dependent on the context. Eis certainly means 'into' very often, but it can also mean 'to,' 'towards,' 'for' and 'among.' It basically denotes movement, but there are 3 and a half pages of very small print in my Greek lexicon devoted to eis. To suppose that it must always mean 'into' is simply wrong.

Did you ask me to? Go and do your own homework if you think it's going to prove your point. [Hint: it isn't]

I did not pretend anything. I stated that the use of eis in John 3:36 and elsewhere does not mean that God will come along and declare it false faith. 'He who believes in the Son has everlasting life .' There is no mention of this being subject to a review by the Almighty. However, be aware that 'believes' is in the Present Tense which in Greek denotes continuity. Those who believe and then fall away are not included in the promise.

Did I say you said that? What I would like you to do is to explain the meaning of Acts of the Apostles 16:31 and how it is different from, say, John 3:36.

Van, no you don't. You are very quick to talk about 'falsehood' and 'falseology,' and if you treated others with more respect, I would give the same courtesy to you. But I tell you now that your beliefs are way out of line with the Bible

 

Salvation depends on God's grace and God's grace alone, Van.
God's mercy stays his judgment for a time. God's grace saves us from His judgment for eternity.
My claim is that no one has any faith until God graciously makes a person alive with Christ.
No one has faith before God chooses to save us by grace alone.
Romans 4 supports me, not you, Van.

 

Absolutely right. To you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe on [Greek eis, 'into'] Him, but also to suffer for His sake' (Philippians 1:29). The Greek word translated "granted" is echaristhe which comes from charis, which means a 'gift.'
Suffering isn't perhaps the most popular charismatic gift, but suffering, patiently borne, can be an attraction to those outside the faith. Ruth saw something noble in Naomi's suffering after the death of her family which led her to follow the older woman to Israel and eventually to the KInsman Redeemer.

 

Because they are His elect whom He foreknew, and to whom it is given to, by His grace, both to believe on Christ and to suffer for His sake ( Philippians 1:29 ).

I'm not aware that He does.
If you know of a place in the Scriptures where God asks fallen men to believe on His Son, please show us.

In a round about way, yes.
Combining John 3:16 with Romans 4, does tell us this...
as does understanding who God's people are, how they came to be His people, and what was, is, and will be accomplished in them, through them and for them.

Does Romans 5:17 tell us that that very righteousness, which is credited ( imputed ) to the believer, is a gift from God?
Yes, it does.

Gifts cannot be earned, only given and received.

 

Through faith that is a gift which is not your own so that you cannot boast.
No matter how you slice it, faith is a gift from God because of his gracious salvation.
God is the cause and man is the effected party.

 

Righteous Faith - ?

A serious question for all of you.

Hab 2:4
Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.


Rom 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Heb 10:38
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Why do you think none of the three in the NT is a verbatim quote from Habakkuk?

I notice out of thirteen English translations of Mark 11:22 only one Youngs Literal Translation is
Have faith of God. --- Which BTW I believe to be the correct translation.

How do you think one would come about having the faith of God?

I believe the the reason it is not verbatim is because of the following.

And before the coming of the faith, (That spoken of in Habakkuk)
under law we were being kept, shut up to the faith about to be revealed, so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith (Of God, Mark 11:22)
we may be declared righteous, and the faith (Of God, Mark 11:22) having come, no more under a child-conductor are we,
Gal 3:23-25

for sin over you shall not have lordship, for ye are not under law, but under grace. Rom 6:14 Was it because of the death and resurrection of Jesus they went from being under law ti being under grace? Is that when, the faith, came?

? Righteous Faith?

Some really, really want man to be responsible for his own righteousness.

 

I have now read your link, and it states that there is a difference between believing Christ and believing 'into' Him, and that 'just' believing is merely to accept that He existed. This is mumbo-jumbo. If you believe someone, you believe that what he says is true.
Romans 4:3. 'For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted [credited, imputed] to him as righteousness."' Abraham did not believe 'into' God; nor did he believe 'on' God. He simply believed God - specifically His words to him - and of course Jesus Christ is God.
Obviously,just to believe that there was someone called Jesus of Nazareth who lived a long time ago and did lots of good stuff saves no one. But when we believe on His name - the LORD Jesus Christ - and trust in Him for salvation from our sins, we will be saved. There is no examination to discover if our faith is somehow good enough. Faith as small as a grain of mustard seed is quite good enough even if it is compassed about by doubt. To cry out to God, "Lord, I do believe! Help my unbelief!" (Mark 9:24) will be accepted by our Lord.

'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved' (Acts 16:31). This is in the Bible and therefore true and to be believed. There is not some magic formula of believing 'into' Christ.

'Let not conscience make you linger,
Nor of fitness fondly dream;
All the fitness He requireth
Is to feel your need of Him;
This He gives you;
'Tis the Spirit's rising beam!

Come, ye weary heavy-laden,
Bruised and broken by the Fall;
If you tarry till you're better,
You will never come at all.
Not the righteous -
Sinners Jesus came to call.'

 

@percho,
Happy to discuss your post, which is on an interesting subject, but possibly slightly off-topic.
If the writer of the OP is happy I will respond, but maybe it will be best to start a new thread on the subject.