Featured Irrational theology.

If sinners are still left, then Revelation 19 is untrue when it says the sinners are fed to the vultures.

You are projecting a sin nature onto people after Christ returns and makes the world holy.

Moreso, you are adding a 3rd coming of Christ, which the Bible never shared. The only place in all the Bible where you come up with this is in the first six verses of Revelation 20. You are creating an entirely unknown event from these verses simply due to a very rigid understanding of what John is saying.
(3 times Jesus comes to earth, in your view: 1-AD 0, born to earth, 2- 1000 year literal reign, 3- unexplainable leaving after 1000 years with another return to completely destroy everything that stands opposed [even though Rev 19 says he destroys all evil prior to Rev 20] )

You can certainly hold such a view. It is no longer a rational view for me as I study eschatology, but you can certainly hold it.

 

Interesingly enough, of these 'four views',
Amillennialism eleminates the other three, immediately,
according to how the Book of Revelation is layed out and structured,
where each of the Seven Visions span a timetable
from the First Advent of Jesus Christ,
to His Second Advent of His Return at the End of the Age.

With each Vision covering the same time period,
the Inner-Advental Period between Jesus' First Coming and His Second Coming,
they all run together, parallel to one another,
each showing its distinct perspective on the Inner-Advental Period
between Jesus' First Coming and His Second Coming,
which is our Present New Testament Age of the Churches.

Unless, Revelation is viewed this way, to read through it linearly,
one chapter after the other, you wind up with SEVEN RETURNS of JESUS.

Then, from there all kinds of other Irrational theology gets invented.

You could say, "Amillennialism", is a Fact of God.

please see: REVELATION; Seven Returns of Jesus & Seven Ends of Time, or Seven Views of Jesus' One Return?

 

1. Scripture does not teach amillenialism, but teaches the Millennial Reign of Christ.

2. What is your reference for all the unredeemed being killed?

3. The translation of the Church is not the Second Coming. The Lord Jesus does not touch the Mount of Olives when He removes the Church. That takes place at the Second Coming, which is the start of the Millennial Reign. That is when He takes over and rules with the rod of iron.

4. Natural men will always have a sin nature. After being born during and enjoying the righteous rule of Christ for hundreds of years, many will rebel against Him when satan is loosed again. Only those resurrected in their glorified bodies will be immune to sin.

5. The only ones fed to vultures in Revelation 19 are the soldiers of antichrist’s armies, not the civilian population.

 

Which we are presently in. The term "amillennialism" is created by premillennialists who don't understand that the millennium is present, right now.

(Revelation 19:17-21)
Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, shouting to the vultures flying high in the sky: “Come! Gather together for the great banquet God has prepared. Come and eat the flesh of kings, generals, and strong warriors; of horses and their riders; and of all humanity, both free and slave, small and great.” Then I saw the beast and the kings of the world and their armies gathered together to fight against the one sitting on the horse and his army. And the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who did mighty miracles on behalf of the beast—miracles that deceived all who had accepted the mark of the beast and who worshiped his statue. Both the beast and his false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. Their entire army was killed by the sharp sword that came from the mouth of the one riding the white horse. And the vultures all gorged themselves on the dead bodies.

There is no translation of the Church in Revelation before the millennium. You cannot find it anywhere. In Revelation you only have the return of Christ.

In premillennialism, however, you teach Christ returning with all the saints before the millennium, then he leaves again and then he returns yet again. You add an additional return.

All humanity is killed in Revelation 19. Only the Holy ones would be left. Moreso, there is no indication of procreation in your version of the 1000 years. You have to force the idea upon the text with no parallel source documentation. For my understanding of the millennium I provided scripture to show you the first resurrection.

Incorrect. Look at it again. "All humanity."
"Come and eat the flesh of kings, generals, and strong warriors; of horses and their riders; and of all humanity, both free and slave, small and great.”

 

I did not say that sinners are still left. When the redeemed who will be saved during the Tribulation period enter the Millennial Kingdom in unglorified bodies, they will procreate and have children. Those children will be born with sin natures, etc.

No, I am not adding a 3rd coming. There is no 3rd coming. The Bible does not say that Christ leaves after the 1000- year literal reign. Where does the Bible say that? Who says that?

 

It appears that you hold that Revelation 20 is the only text concerning the Millennium. If so, you are badly mistaken. Isaiah 11 and 65, Zechariah 14, and other passages all speak about the Millennium.

Isaiah 65:20 speaks about infants and about people who die as children at 100 years of age. Isaiah 65:22 says that the days of God's people in the Millennium will be as the days of a tree, which plainly shows that they will have greatly extended life spans in the Mm.

 

Where do we read of a 1000 year reign in Isaiah 11? You are projecting your theory on the text.

(Isaiah 11:1-16)
Out of the stump of David’s family will grow a shoot— yes, a new Branch bearing fruit from the old root. And the Spirit of the Lord will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord. He will delight in obeying the Lord. He will not judge by appearance nor make a decision based on hearsay. He will give justice to the poor and make fair decisions for the exploited. The earth will shake at the force of his word, and one breath from his mouth will destroy the wicked. He will wear righteousness like a belt and truth like an undergarment. In that day the wolf and the lamb will live together; the leopard will lie down with the baby goat. The calf and the yearling will be safe with the lion, and a little child will lead them all. The cow will graze near the bear. The cub and the calf will lie down together. The lion will eat hay like a cow. The baby will play safely near the hole of a cobra. Yes, a little child will put its hand in a nest of deadly snakes without harm. Nothing will hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain, for as the waters fill the sea, so the earth will be filled with people who know the Lord. In that day the heir to David’s throne will be a banner of salvation to all the world. The nations will rally to him, and the land where he lives will be a glorious place. In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to bring back the remnant of his people— those who remain in Assyria and northern Egypt; in southern Egypt, Ethiopia, and Elam; in Babylonia, Hamath, and all the distant coastlands. He will raise a flag among the nations and assemble the exiles of Israel. He will gather the scattered people of Judah from the ends of the earth. Then at last the jealousy between Israel and Judah will end. They will not be rivals anymore. They will join forces to swoop down on Philistia to the west. Together they will attack and plunder the nations to the east. They will occupy the lands of Edom and Moab, and Ammon will obey them. The Lord will make a dry path through the gulf of the Red Sea. He will wave his hand over the Euphrates River, sending a mighty wind to divide it into seven streams so it can easily be crossed on foot. He will make a highway for the remnant of his people, the remnant coming from Assyria, just as he did for Israel long ago when they returned from Egypt.

 

Where is the 1000 year reign in Isaiah 65? You are projecting your theory on the text.

(Isaiah 65:1-25)
The Lord says, “I was ready to respond, but no one asked for help. I was ready to be found, but no one was looking for me. I said, ‘Here I am, here I am!’ to a nation that did not call on my name. All day long I opened my arms to a rebellious people. But they follow their own evil paths and their own crooked schemes. All day long they insult me to my face by worshiping idols in their sacred gardens. They burn incense on pagan altars. At night they go out among the graves, worshiping the dead. They eat the flesh of pigs and make stews with other forbidden foods. Yet they say to each other, ‘Don’t come too close or you will defile me! I am holier than you!’ These people are a stench in my nostrils, an acrid smell that never goes away. “Look, my decree is written out in front of me: I will not stand silent; I will repay them in full! Yes, I will repay them— both for their own sins and for those of their ancestors,” says the Lord. “For they also burned incense on the mountains and insulted me on the hills. I will pay them back in full! “But I will not destroy them all,” says the Lord. “For just as good grapes are found among a cluster of bad ones (and someone will say, ‘Don’t throw them all away— some of those grapes are good!’), so I will not destroy all Israel. For I still have true servants there. I will preserve a remnant of the people of Israel and of Judah to possess my land. Those I choose will inherit it, and my servants will live there. The plain of Sharon will again be filled with flocks for my people who have searched for me, and the valley of Achor will be a place to pasture herds. “But because the rest of you have forsaken the Lord and have forgotten his Temple, and because you have prepared feasts to honor the god of Fate and have offered mixed wine to the god of Destiny, now I will ‘destine’ you for the sword. All of you will bow down before the executioner. For when I called, you did not answer. When I spoke, you did not listen. You deliberately sinned—before my very eyes— and chose to do what you know I despise.” Therefore, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: “My servants will eat, but you will starve. My servants will drink, but you will be thirsty. My servants will rejoice, but you will be sad and ashamed. My servants will sing for joy, but you will cry in sorrow and despair. Your name will be a curse word among my people, for the Sovereign Lord will destroy you and will call his true servants by another name. All who invoke a blessing or take an oath will do so by the God of truth. For I will put aside my anger and forget the evil of earlier days. “Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore. Be glad; rejoice forever in my creation! And look! I will create Jerusalem as a place of happiness. Her people will be a source of joy. I will rejoice over Jerusalem and delight in my people. And the sound of weeping and crying will be heard in it no more. “No longer will babies die when only a few days old. No longer will adults die before they have lived a full life. No longer will people be considered old at one hundred! Only the cursed will die that young! In those days people will live in the houses they build and eat the fruit of their own vineyards. Unlike the past, invaders will not take their houses and confiscate their vineyards. For my people will live as long as trees, and my chosen ones will have time to enjoy their hard-won gains. They will not work in vain, and their children will not be doomed to misfortune. For they are people blessed by the Lord, and their children, too, will be blessed. I will answer them before they even call to me. While they are still talking about their needs, I will go ahead and answer their prayers! The wolf and the lamb will feed together. The lion will eat hay like a cow. But the snakes will eat dust. In those days no one will be hurt or destroyed on my holy mountain. I, the Lord, have spoken!”

 

Where do we see the 1000 year reign in Zechariah 14? You are projecting your theory onto the text.

(Zechariah 14:1-21)
Watch, for the day of the Lord is coming when your possessions will be plundered right in front of you! I will gather all the nations to fight against Jerusalem. The city will be taken, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the population will be taken into captivity, and the rest will be left among the ruins of the city. Then the Lord will go out to fight against those nations, as he has fought in times past. On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem. And the Mount of Olives will split apart, making a wide valley running from east to west. Half the mountain will move toward the north and half toward the south. You will flee through this valley, for it will reach across to Azal. Yes, you will flee as you did from the earthquake in the days of King Uzziah of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all his holy ones with him. On that day the sources of light will no longer shine, yet there will be continuous day! Only the Lord knows how this could happen. There will be no normal day and night, for at evening time it will still be light. On that day life-giving waters will flow out from Jerusalem, half toward the Dead Sea and half toward the Mediterranean, flowing continuously in both summer and winter. And the Lord will be king over all the earth. On that day there will be one Lord—his name alone will be worshiped. All the land from Geba, north of Judah, to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become one vast plain. But Jerusalem will be raised up in its original place and will be inhabited all the way from the Benjamin Gate over to the site of the old gate, then to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses. And Jerusalem will be filled, safe at last, never again to be cursed and destroyed. And the Lord will send a plague on all the nations that fought against Jerusalem. Their people will become like walking corpses, their flesh rotting away. Their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. On that day they will be terrified, stricken by the Lord with great panic. They will fight their neighbors hand to hand. Judah, too, will be fighting at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the neighboring nations will be captured—great quantities of gold and silver and fine clothing. This same plague will strike the horses, mules, camels, donkeys, and all the other animals in the enemy camps. In the end, the enemies of Jerusalem who survive the plague will go up to Jerusalem each year to worship the King, the Lord of Heaven’s Armies, and to celebrate the Festival of Shelters. Any nation in the world that refuses to come to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of Heaven’s Armies, will have no rain. If the people of Egypt refuse to attend the festival, the Lord will punish them with the same plague that he sends on the other nations who refuse to go. Egypt and the other nations will all be punished if they don’t go to celebrate the Festival of Shelters. On that day even the harness bells of the horses will be inscribed with these words: Holy to the Lord. And the cooking pots in the Temple of the Lord will be as sacred as the basins used beside the altar. In fact, every cooking pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. All who come to worship will be free to use any of these pots to boil their sacrifices. And on that day there will no longer be traders in the Temple of the Lord of Heaven’s Armies.

 

Each of the 3 passages shown above are embraced by those who recognize we are in the present millennium. Each speaks to God's eternal rule. What is not shown in any of these texts is a 1000 year period where Jesus reigns and then mysteriously leaves his throne to let Satan muck up the world yet again before he ultimately tossed Satan into the Lake of Fire.
Even if, we could see the specific reference to a 1000 year reign in those 3 passages, @Scripture More Accurately still needs two, or three more passages to make his claim, ironically, accurate.

There is only one passage, to my knowledge, that speaks of a 1000 year reign and it is in Revelation 20.

 

I did not say that it speaks explicitly of a 1000-year reign. The passage speaks of Christ's bringing justice to the earth at a time where there is harmony in the animal kingdom and yet there are those who are sinful. That combination of characteristics has never been true in history, but it will be true in the Mm.

 

Is. 65:17-25 does not mention 1000 years directly. However, it speaks of a period when human lives are greatly extended in lifespan so that people who are 100 years of age are considered children. At the same time people are dying. Furthermore, it also speaks of those who will be sinning during that period even though there will be harmony in the animal kingdom. There has never been a period in history that had all of those characteristics true at the same time.

As a period of many hundreds of years on the earth that has a combination of realities that have never yet been true on the earth, Is. 65:17-25 correlates perfectly with Rev. 20:1-6 that also speaks of a unique period of many hundreds of years.

 

Zechariah 14 categorically refutes your amillennial position. It speaks of Christ as King ruling physically over all the earth at a time when there will still be people sinning against God. During that period, all the nations except those who rebel come year to year to Jerusalem to worship the Lord. These realities have never been true in history yet, but they will be in the Mm.

 

How does it refute a present millennial view? Is Christ not reigning in heaven today? Is Satan not held back (bound) today) Have the saints not been made alive with Christ and those who have died live now with Christ and reign with Him? When Christ returns will not all scripture be fulfilled?

Listen, you are free to hold your view, but you need to acknowledge that Amillenialism has strong biblical merit, even if you don't personally hold that view.

 

Sorry, amillennialism does not have strong biblical merit. If you can read Zechariah 14 and come away believing that what it says is true today, language has no meaning and anything can be made to mean anything.

You need to submit to what words actually mean, sentences actually say, and let the Bible teach you what to believe.

 

How do you read a 1000 year millennium into Zechariah 14? Where do we see Messiah coming back to earth twice?

The only Christians who add an extra return by Christ because his first rule wasn't good enough is dispensationalists.

 

Then show your claim in the same text that states Satan is bound right now.

The nations are deceieved right now. So Satan being bound is during a time they are not deceived.

When has every nation on earth declared their allegiance to Jesus as King all at the same time, and no one is decieved?

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

No poster here seems to deny that Jesus is currently a king with authority and all power is given to Jesus. The point is that every nation, themselves, need to know that, and not by faith. By sight and knowing they reign with Jesus over their own nation. There is no verse in Revelation 20 that limits the reign of Jesus to a thousand years. The point is that these people and nations know that Jesus is with them on the earth, and their reign, every last one of them, will last a thousand years. Their reign is not forever. Their reign is not for the last 1993 years, nor an indefinite amount of time. These people live a long life of a thousand years and reign with King Jesus the entire time.

Satan is bound for the same period of time and the same length. After this period, this current creation is returned to God and this creation ceases to exist. Creation is not burned up, is not destroyed, but will be complete, and subdued. It will simply not be found any longer.

The amount of time no one could know nor have a handle on was the NT church and the fulness of the Gentiles. Yet you dismiss out of hand, the specific amount of time alloted for Jesus on earth, when He returns. Because you cannot seem to find any place that states Jesus is returning to the Mount of Olives. I am sure many posters can find such verses in Scripture.

The first resurrection gives them a physical life span of a thousand years. You don't even accept those entering Paradise in 30AD are enjoying themselves in permanent incorruptible physical bodies. They have had physical bodies that are 1993 years old. Only those in sheol are souls without bodies.

All those blessed since the Cross with the first resurrection have physical bodies that cannot die, and will not face the second death in the LOF.

 

I do not read a 1000- year Mm "into" Zech. 14 and do not need to do so. The same Spirit who inspired Rev. 20:1-6 is the One who many hundreds of years earlier revealed passages such as Is. 11 and 65 and Zech. 14.

The NT provides additional revelation on many subjects that were also spoken of in the OT (but not all the same details were revealed in the OT).

Saying that Zech. 14 does not say anything explicitly about a 1000-year Mm does not in any way help your position.

What you need to do is to take what God has revealed in Zech. 14 in all seriousness and handle it properly for what it teaches.

 

Wrong all the way. You completely ignore context to fabricate your imaginary world, and no, this is not the Millennium. It’s much closer to hell on earth than it is to Heaven on earth.

To see that there is procreation during the Millennium, you need to read and understand Isaiah. But you are not going to understand, so it’s a waste of time.

 

False.

God is NOT the only one being worshiped today because this is NOT the Millennium.