Was it Friday?

[37818]

No. Friday 7 April 30 AD was 14 Nisan 30 AD..

No. Where do you think the Baptist Wednesday crucifixion came from?
Nisan 14, 3790 is April 5, 30 A,D. A Wednesday.

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Do you have better evidence?

According to Exodus 12:18, Mark 14:12 is the 14th of Nisan before the evening of Mark 14:17.

I have little choice here. Give me better evidence.

 

[JonC]

In 33 A.D..

In 30 A.D. Tuesday evening.

The Preparation Day before the 7th day Sabbath always began Thursday evening.

On 30 AD Passover proper was on Friday. Preparation Day was also that Friday. Both began on Thursday evening. The Holy Assembly was also on a Sabbath (that Sabbatg was a high day).

We know this because in 30 AD 14 Nisan started on Thursday evening, making the 15th of Nisan fall on Friday evening..a Sabbath.


I am not sure how you calculated 14 Nisan 30 AD to be Wendsday. But it was a Friday (starting Thursday evening).

The division about 30 AD vs 33 AD comes about because the days align (14 Nisan being Friday) in these years but differences regarding the length of Christ's ministry and how the start of Tiberius's rule exist.

 

[37818]

Geneva Bible Mark 15:42, And nowe when the night was come (because it was the day of the preparation that is before the Sabbath)

 

[37818]

On 30 AD Passover proper was on Friday.

That has been believed, I have known this.
Give me evidence that it cannot be Nisan 14, 3790, Tuesday evening to Wednesday day.

 

[JonC]

No. Where do you think the Baptist Wednesday crucifixion came from?
Nisan 14, 3790 is April 5, 30 A,D. A Wednesday.

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Do you have better evidence?

According to Exodus 12:18, Mark 14:12 is the 14th of Nisan before the evening of Mark 14:17.

I have little choice here. Give me better evidence.

I don't need evidence - I believe it was 33 AD.

Evidence regarding Jews interchanging the week of Unleavened Bread with Passover is readily avaliable (it is still a practice). But that is cultural - like using Christmas to mean Christmas Day, Christmas Eve, both days, or the entire Christmas season (often about 2 weeks).

The strongest evidence, however, that Mark was employing everyday speech is biblical.

1. Mark has the Passover Lamb being sacrificed on this first day.

2. If Mark is using common terms then his account aligns perfectly with other biblical accounts.


There seems to be two choices -

Either Mark was using common speech for the 1st Century or Scripture is wrong. Personally, I believe tge former...especially since Mark includes the clarification that this was the day the Passover Lamb was sacrificed.


When do you believe they sacrificed tge Pasdover Lamb?

 

[JonC]

That has been believed, I have known this.
Give me evidence that it cannot be Nisan 14, 3790, Tuesday evening to Wednesday day.

We can't as it is not precisely known.

And I won't because I don't care. I believe it was 33 AD.

Thar said, we do know that Jesus was presented before the people at 12pm on Passover Friday and from there taken to the cross.

And we do know that Jesus died on Friday (the day before a Sabbath and the day of the Holy Assembly (which is a Sabbath in itself). And there was a rush to place His body in the tomb. And the women waited until Sunday to go to prepare the body (no work on the Sabbath).

 

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I am not sure how you calculated 14 Nisan 30 AD to be Wendsday. But it was a Friday (starting Thursday evening).

From a known phase of the Moon to the same phase the next month is 29.5305877315 days. And that is more accurate than Sr Issac Newton had when he calculated Friday 33 A.D. for Nisan 14th, Julian date April 3. The 30 A.D. April 5, Wednesday is known to be Nisan 14, 3790 Jewish Calendar date.

 

[37818]

@JonC,
According to Mark 14:12 the 33 A.D. date can't be Biblical. Or Mark's account is false. Do you understand why this is so?

 

[37818]

And we do know that Jesus died on Friday (the day before a Sabbath and the day of the Holy Assembly (which is a Sabbath in itself).

Not according to Mark's account.

 

[JonC]

From a known phase of the Moon to the same phase the next month is 29.5305877315 days. And that is more accurate than Sr Issac Newton had when he calculated Friday 33 A.D. for Nisan 14th, Julian date April 3. 30 A.D. April 5, Wednesday is known to be Nisan 14, 3790 Jewish Calendar date.

Problem is Israel moved from strict lunar observation in the Talmudic period (observation and reckoning). If you use a strict lunar method you cannot know if you have the actual day correct (you'd be right in OT times).

This is one reason why some insist that Mark's account depends on where he was located and his audience.


Regardless, I believe it was 33AD.

I don't care so much about the year.

 

[JonC]

@JonC,
According to Mark 14:12 the 33 A.D. date can't be Biblical. Or Mark's account is false. Do you understand why this is so?

No, I don't. I do not see a difference in the accounts.

Mark has the last supper on the day the Passover Lamb was sacrificed. I believe this was Thursday evening when they had the Seder meal. This would mean He died on Friday.

John tells us that the crowd cried "crucify!" around 12pm Friday, He died on Friday, and was buried quickly in a nearby tomb because the Sabbath (which woukd be Friday night) was approaching.

John also tells us that Sabbath was a high day, so it fits with Mark's account that the Last Supper was close to the time the Passover Lamb was sacrificed.

 

[37818]

No, I don't. I do not see a difference in the accounts.

Mark has the last supper on the day the Passover Lamb was sacrificed. I believe this was Thursday evening when they had the Seder meal.

How was "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?" the 13th of Nisan?

 

[JonC]

How was "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?" the 13th of Nisan?

I never said it was the 13th. You must have misread.

Exodus 12: Your lamb shall be an unblemished male a year old; you may take it from the sheep or from the goats. ‘You shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month, then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel is to kill it at twilight...They shall eat the flesh that same night, roasted with...

The Passover Lamb was sacrificed on the 14th.

The next morning would be the 14th as well. Then you'd have the evening (first evening) which would be the 14th. Then second evenin, which would be the start of the 15th.

 

[37818]

We know this because in 30 AD 14 Nisan started on Thursday evening, making the 15th of Nisan fall on Friday evening..a Sabbath.

Please show me a Jewish calendar where the 15th of Nisan fell on the 6th day (Friday) of the week?

 

[37818]

The 33 A.D. April 3, Friday. Jewish calendar date Nisan 14, 3793.

The 30 A.D. April 5, Wednesday. Jewish calendar date Nisan 14, 3790.

 

[37818]

John tells us that the crowd cried "crucify!" around 12pm Friday, . . .

Where? [John used Roman hours.]
Mark 15:25, And it was the third hour, and they crucified him. ,[9 A.M.]

 

[JonC]

Please show me a Jewish calendar where the 15th of Nisan fell on the 6th day (Friday) of the week?

Simple.

Look at Nisan 14 3793.

You will find that it is our Friday (Friday, April 3 33AD to be percise).

Look at 15 Nisan 3793 using the Gregorian calendar. This is Saturday. Saturday is the Sabbath.


The equivalent day of 14 Nissan is Friday (BUT it begins on Thursday evening). The equivalent of 15 Nissan is Saturday......but the Sabbath begins on Friday evening.

Are you saying the Sabbath is Saturday evening to Sunday evening?

 

[JonC]

Where? [John used Roman hours.]
Mark 15:25, And it was the third hour, and they crucified him. ,[9 A.M.]

I'm fine using Roman time as well.
If Roman time it'd be around 9am.

Matthew would have used Jewish hours. But he doesn't give us the time Jesus was presented. John does not give the time He died. Matthew does - about the 9th hour. In April this is about 14.5 hours (5:30am to 7:30pm). Divide by 12 =1.21. The 9th hour woukd be between 2:30pm and 3:30 pm (I doubt they had wrist watches).

But it is still the day before the Sabbath (John 19:31).

Unless you are arguing that Saturday was Nisan 14. But then the Resurrection couldn't have been on the first day of the week.

 

[37818]

Simple.

Look at Nisan 14 3793.

You will find that it is our Friday (Friday, April 3 33AD to be percise).

Look at 15 Nisan 3793 using the Gregorian calendar. This is Saturday. Saturday is the Sabbath.


The equivalent day of 14 Nissan is Friday (BUT it begins on Thursday evening). The equivalent of 15 Nissan is Saturday......but the Sabbath begins on Friday evening.

Are you saying the Sabbath is Saturday evening to Sunday evening?

In 33 A.D.
The 14th of Nisan begins Thursday at sundown and ends Friday at sundown.
Yes, in 33, both the 15th of Nisan and the 7th day Sabbath begins Friday at sundown and ends Saturday at sundown.
What never happens is Nisan the 15th the day before the 7th day Sabbath.
Mark 14:12-16 cannot be a Friday.

 

[37818]

Mark 14:12-16, Nisan 14th



Nisan 14th
Year day Julian date
28 Monday April 29
29 Saturday April 16
30 Wednesday April 5
31 Monday March 26
32 Monday April 14
33 Friday April 3
34 Monday March 22
35 Monday April 11
36 Friday March 30
37 Wednesday March 20