Rapture background

Nope, not what happened. It's Darby's theology. There is no evidence of an historical theological connection whatsoever between Margaret Macdonald and Darby.

Try Isaac Watts (essay attached).

Nope, not what happened. Have you read any actual scholarly histories of dispensationalism? I recommend Discovering Dispensationalism, ed. by Cory Marsh and James Fazio. Max S. Weremchuk wrote in his essay in this book, "Besides the fact that Darby considered her utterances to be demonic in origin, there is no real correspondence between them and what Darby later taught" (p. 237, fn).

"Justin Martyr (110-165) held a concept of differing programs of God" (Charles Ryrie, Dispensationalism, p. 72). I could give many more quotes.

Oppose dispensationalism if you must, but please represent it with historical clarity.

 

Oh really? What do you think Peter was warning about in 2 Peter 3:3-15 which is for saved believers to be ready as found abiding in Him and thus enduring to the end to escape that fire coming on the earth or else be cut off per Luke 12:40-49?

Explain those 2 references since I see Peter & Jesus warning about how that pre great tribulation rapture event is when God is judging His House first if we do not lean on Jesus Christ daily to resists sin 1 Peter 4:1-19 & Hebrews 12:1-10

In regards to this issue, that can be applied to either side and so pot calling kettle black.

Scripture cannot go against scripture and so how can we know when someone is trying to force scripture to fit their theology? With the Lord's help in proving all things when other scriptures is not aligning with how they misapply that scripture to mean and indeed more than enough scriptures is opposing it and thereby reproving it as a forcing scripture into their theology.

The ones that are in the wrong take the route of ignoring what the scriptures that is opposing them to mean because they have no answer.

Explain why Jesus is warning the church at Thyatira that if they do not repent, they will be cast into the bed of the coming great tribulation in Revelation 2:18-25?

That means if they do repent, they will not be cast into the bed of the coming great tribulation.

Then you have to explain why Jesus is exhorting the church at Philadelphia to hold fast and keep the word of His patience and they shall be kept from the hour of temptation that shall try all remaining on the earth in Revelation 3:7-11 and thereby keeping their crown.

That means if they do not hold fast and refuse to be patient, and allow someone to provoke them to violence, without repentance, they will lose their crown and be left behind.

But if you can offer an explanation for those two warnings in scriptures without going to commentaries and other sources for explaining this as I am sure others taught you this, without actually addressing the rewards and the consequences thereof, feel free to do so.

 

Here is another scriptural reference for proving the rapture is before the great tribulation.

Imagine the end of the great tribulation for believers living on the run as the beast is killing them by the sword and by hunger since they cannot buy nor sell without the mark of the beast;

.....you really think at that time, those invited, the saved believers, would be making excuses not to attend the Supper because they love their lives on earth, not to leave for when the Bridegroom comes?

Luke 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.

16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:

17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.

18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.

19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.

20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.

23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

And what about this short warning from Jesus that confirms the rapture as before the great tribulation.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

So you all better be praying now to Jesus Christ at that throne of grace & trust Him to get you ready as found abiding in Him & His words as His disciples, as well as being willing to go in leaving behind all your cares and your belongings in this life.

You Catholics are saved and you do not need the RCC nor any sacraments to make you stand so leave that church now.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

You Protestants that believe Christ's Presence is in the bread and the wine thus committing idolatry according to 1 Corinthians 10:14-23, had better leave the Protestant churches with His help as well if you expect Him to receive you.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

 

Care to address the scriptures provided if I am not rightly dividing the word of truth?

Remember this comment from your post?

"It is a tradition of men, and was a clear case of trying to force scripture to fit a theology."

But you can only prove that by applying what that scripture is really about without opposing the other truths in scripture.

Of course, the Lord has to enable the ones that are opposing themselves to see the truth in His words.

 

Three different issues.
Both the concepts of dispensations and rapture comes from the Latin.
1 Corinthians 9:17 and 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
And pre-trib rapture is not Biblical.