Rebel not.

[Silverhair]

Matthew 23:8-10, . . . be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

John 17:11, And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

1 Timothy 2.5, For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; . . .

You are wasting your time dealing with @Cathode. He is blinded to the truth.

 

[Cathode]

You are so blinded by your RCC that you cannot see the truth. It is not scripture you believe but what the RCC tells you and we know how false their teachings are. You have been provided scripture and historical facts about the errors of the RCC and you still cling to that false organization.

So you have proven that it is not truth but agreement with the RCC false doctrines that you want. You will just have to go somewhere else to get that as here on the baptist board we know what the truth is and it is not your RCC.

You refuse to receive the word of God so it is time to leave you to travel the road of false religion that you are on. May God have mercy on your soul.

Unless you are Infallibly guided in your interpretations of Scripture you can’t declare anything true or false, it’s just matter of your fallible opinion.

Somewhere along the line, you have granted yourself a pseudo Infallibility.

 

[Cathode]

You are wasting your time dealing with @Cathode. He is blinded to the truth.

Who in bible alone Protestantism has the Truth?

 

[37818]

This verse is not part protestant scripture, it’s invisible or something.

“Obey those who have the rule over you and submit yourselves, for they keep watch over your souls as ones who must give an account, that they may do it with joy and not with grief, for that is unprofitable for you.” Heb 13:17

No one wants to submit or obey to leadership, ultimately it’s me and my bible, and if I don’t like the leadership, I’ll go follow my nose.

Seems like they’ll misquote any other verse so as not to follow this verse. Like a strict communist egalitarianism must be maintained, no man of higher authority than the other.

“And all Ye are brothers “ therefore no one can order you on anything.

Even among brothers there are hierarchies, so no, this verse does not negate Heb13:17.

“These, then, are the things you should teach. Exhort and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.” Titus 2:15

People could not disregard Titus, he had all Authority of the Apostles, and needed to be respected as if it were an Apostle teaching or rebuking them.

You are not making sense.

Hebrews 13:17, Yield to those leading you, and be submissive, for they watch for your souls, [as those who must] give account, that they may do it with joy and not with grief; for that [is] unprofitable for you.

 

[Cathode]

Not my opinion just what the bible says. The RCC is a man made organization that pushes a false theology. The RCC history proves the error of that system.

So we should trust how the RCC reads and misinterpreted scripture according to their human opinion. As I said you are funny. Your whole argument has been circular from the start.

If Bible aloners were all in total agreement, no denominations, one faith after reading the Bible. I would be right there with you. I really would. It would be obvious.

If prayerfully reading the Bible and The Holy Spirit’s guidance was true interpreting for each individual, the result would be total unity among believers on a singular interpretation, despite human frailty, then Bible alonism would be completely proven true. Game, set and match. No doubt at all. Sign me up.

The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of Truth, by His power human ignorance and frailty would be no obstacle in forming a singular clear interpretation of Scripture and set of doctrines. Not even foreign languages got in His way and people all understood and believed.

But what has been the fruit of Bible alonism, what has manifested from it. Using the Lord’s measure of knowing a tree by its fruit.

The fruit of Bible alonism has been division and chaos. Lawlessness in conflicting interpretations of scripture and doctrines, and disputation, schism that has not ended to this day.

The fruit has been that believers in Christ are set against each other, not unified and they break unity from one another, even now.
Each has not been arguing for scripture, each has been arguing for his own interpretations of scripture.

Whose work are you honestly attributing that to? Making the Bible itself the source of Bible aloners disunity.

The fundamental problem has always been ignorance of how The Holy Spirit operates.
The Holy Spirit operates through the Spoken Word of God, the preaching of the living Church, preaching by The Spirit, Apostolic Tradition. Not in individual textual criticism of scripture.

This is the answer to the mystery why Bible alonism scattered in countless schisms and conflicting doctrines.

“ Hold to the traditions we taught you, either by word of our mouth or by letter. “

Bible aloners didn’t obey this, they only took scripture alone, rejecting the word of mouth Tradition of The Holy Spirit which gives the singular true interpretation of the written word of God.

So in reality they neither follow Scripture or Tradition. Scripture tells them to follow the Apostolic Oral Tradition, but they refuse, and follow countless human interpretive traditions instead.

 

[Cathode]

You are not making sense.

Hebrews 13:17, Yield to those leading you, and be submissive, for they watch for your souls, [as those who must] give account, that they may do it with joy and not with grief; for that [is] unprofitable for you.

What do you mean?

 

[37818]

What do you mean?

Our church leaders are our equal brothren.

 

[Cathode]

Our church leaders are our equal brothren.

Scripture does not show a Church where everyone is of equal authority.

 

[37818]

Scripture does not show a Church where everyone is of equal authority.

An equal brotherhood doesn't promise that. Both saved and lost are created in God's image too.

 

[Cathode]

An equal brotherhood doesn't promise that. Both saved and lost are created in God's image too.

We are all equal in the sight of God, if that’s what you are saying. Sure. But Scripture and the Early Christians shows not everyone is equal in Authority.

 

[37818]

Who in bible alone Protestantism has the Truth?

The 27 New Testament documents understand to have been written in the first century.

2 Peter 1:21, For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

They were Holy Scripture when they were written.

 

[37818]

We are all equal in the sight of God, if that’s what you are saying. Sure. But Scripture and the Early Christians shows not everyone is equal in Authority.

Matthew 23:8, . . . and all ye are brethren.

1 John 2:27, But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[JesusFan]

Scripture does not show a Church where everyone is of equal authority.

All of us priests unto the Lord, all equally share in heavenly blessings and promises, and I right now am far superior in sight of God then the current apostate Pope

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The real disarray is in Bible alone Protestantism, where each man subjugates scripture to his opinion and comes away with his own conflicting doctrines.

There is no greater example of religious disarray in the history of the world.

Do you include Baptists under the Protestant umbrella?

 

[Cathode]

Matthew 23:8, . . . and all ye are brethren.

1 John 2:27, But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

“But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.”

This is the Apostolic anointing not everyone.

No one teaches the Apostles or their successors.

 

[Cathode]

Do you include Baptists under the Protestant umbrella?

Protestantism was the invention of two new doctrines, never believed before Luther.

Scripture alone and faith alone.

Do you subscribe to either or both of these doctrines.

 

[37818]

“But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.”

This is the Apostolic anointing not everyone.

No one teaches the Apostles or their successors.

Per 2 Peter 1:21, For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

The making of all Holy Scripture. So Holy Scripture to be the sole authority in the faith and believer's practice.

Leaving our New Testament Holy Scripture to be our sole Apostolic authority.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

If Bible aloners were all in total agreement, no denominations, one faith after reading the Bible. I would be right there with you. I really would. It would be obvious.

If prayerfully reading the Bible and The Holy Spirit’s guidance was true interpreting for each individual, the result would be total unity among believers on a singular interpretation, despite human frailty, then Bible alonism would be completely proven true. Game, set and match. No doubt at all. Sign me up.

The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of Truth, by His power human ignorance and frailty would be no obstacle in forming a singular clear interpretation of Scripture and set of doctrines. Not even foreign languages got in His way and people all understood and believed.

But what has been the fruit of Bible alonism, what has manifested from it. Using the Lord’s measure of knowing a tree by its fruit.

The fruit of Bible alonism has been division and chaos. Lawlessness in conflicting interpretations of scripture and doctrines, and disputation, schism that has not ended to this day.

The fruit has been that believers in Christ are set against each other, not unified and they break unity from one another, even now.
Each has not been arguing for scripture, each has been arguing for his own interpretations of scripture.

Whose work are you honestly attributing that to? Making the Bible itself the source of Bible aloners disunity.

The fundamental problem has always been ignorance of how The Holy Spirit operates.
The Holy Spirit operates through the Spoken Word of God, the preaching of the living Church, preaching by The Spirit, Apostolic Tradition. Not in individual textual criticism of scripture.

This is the answer to the mystery why Bible alonism scattered in countless schisms and conflicting doctrines.

“ Hold to the traditions we taught you, either by word of our mouth or by letter. “

Bible aloners didn’t obey this, they only took scripture alone, rejecting the word of mouth Tradition of The Holy Spirit which gives the singular true interpretation of the written word of God.

So in reality they neither follow Scripture or Tradition. Scripture tells them to follow the Apostolic Oral Tradition, but they refuse, and follow countless human interpretive traditions instead.

You're having a laugh, right? In case you've never read it, the Bible, and the NT in particular, is a very argumentative book. Moreover, the apostle Paul prophesied that as soon as he was dead, 'savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Also, from among yourselves, men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves' (Acts 20:29-30). This is an accurate portrayal of the Church of Rome.
So how is unity to be achieved? By killing those who disagree with you, and at this the Church of Rome is supreme. One of the best examples is its suppression of the Albigenses who lived in the South of France in the 13th Century. These folk regarded the clergy of their day as corrupt, and counted their rites as worthless because they were not men of God. By use of the Inquisition, founded in 1229, they massacred around 20,000 Albigenses, and established unity - the unity of the dead.
Then there was John Hus, who was a famous scholar and preacher in Hungary. He ran into trouble with the Roman hierarchy when he attacked their covetousness, sloth and luxury at the expense of the people. He was given a safe conduct to attend the Council of Constance in 1415, where, nonetheless, he was imprisoned, tortured and the burned. Even the Holy Roman Emperor gave an order for his released, but the 'pope,' the barbarously evil John XXIII, and the council ignored him. But before the end of the Council, John was forced to resign, "accused of crimes strange for their multitude and enormity, and daring not to face an investigation' (R.C. Trench, Medieval Church History).
Praise God, in more modern times the Church of Rome can no longer suppress dissent by killing its opponents, and so it is steadily losing its hold on the people. The majority of Brazilians who profess Christ are now no longer Roman Catholics, and in Ireland, the Church of Rome has almost entirely lost its hold.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Protestantism was the invention of two new doctrines, never believed before Luther.

Scripture alone and faith alone.

Do you subscribe to either or both of these doctrines.

No…. I’m not a Protestant, nor am I a Catholic,nor am I a persecuter.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You're having a laugh, right? In case you've never read it, the Bible, and the NT in particular, is a very argumentative book. Moreover, the apostle Paul prophesied that as soon as he was dead, 'savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Also, from among yourselves, men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves' (Acts 20:29-30). This is an accurate portrayal of the Church of Rome.
So how is unity to be achieved? By killing those who disagree with you, and at this the Church of Rome is supreme. One of the best examples is its suppression of the Albigenses who lived in the South of France in the 13th Century. These folk regarded the clergy of their day as corrupt, and counted their rites as worthless because they were not men of God. By use of the Inquisition, founded in 1229, they massacred around 20,000 Albigenses, and established unity - the unity of the dead.
Then there was John Hus, who was a famous scholar and preacher in Hungary. He ran into trouble with the Roman hierarchy when he attacked their covetousness, sloth and luxury at the expense of the people. He was given a safe conduct to attend the Council of Constance in 1415, where, nonetheless, he was imprisoned, tortured and the burned. Even the Holy Roman Emperor gave an order for his released, but the 'pope,' the barbarously evil John XXIII, and the council ignored him. But before the end of the Council, John was forced to resign, "accused of crimes strange for their multitude and enormity, and daring not to face an investigation' (R.C. Trench, Medieval Church History).
Praise God, in more modern times the Church of Rome can no longer suppress dissent by killing its opponents, and so it is steadily losing its hold on the people. The majority of Brazilians who profess Christ are now no longer Roman Catholics, and in Ireland, the Church of Rome has almost entirely lost its hold.

Wasn’t John (Jan)) Hus a Czechoslovakian?