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Dominion vs determinism
- Thread starter Ben1445
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Silverhair
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Did you choose to trust in Christ Jesus Ken?
KenH
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Yes. God made me willing to do.
Psalm 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of Thy power.
Ben1445
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Silverhair
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That is not what your posts would indicate Ken.
Silverhair
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Ken that is not what Pas 110:3 is speaking of. That you use it to support your view is telling.
You are adding your words to the text. It does not say God made them Ken, they chose to do.
If man is forced to believe, as you say you were, he does not believe at all; it is the forcing power that believes for him. If he is forced to obey, it is the forcing power that obeys; and not the man.
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KenH
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And I thank Him for doing so.
KenH
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We fundamentally disagree about that.
Ben1445
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You don’t understand the meaning behind words much, do you?
Silverhair
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Of course we do, I hold to the word of God and you hold to a man-made philosophy.
KenH
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"This signifies the set time of love and life to every particular soul at conversion; which is a day for light, and a day of power; when the exceeding greatness of the power of God is put forth in the regeneration of them: and the people that were given to Christ by his Father, in the covenant of grace, and who, while in a state of nature, are rebellious and unwilling, are made willing to be saved by Christ, and him only."
- excerpt from John Gill's Bible commentary on Psalm 110:3
"God the Father promiseth that this people shall be a willing people; a people of willingness, as it might be rendered; volunteers, listing under Christ's banner. When Jesus is set up as an ensign to the nations, the Gentiles shall seek to it, and his rest shall be glorious, Isaiah 11:10. And the prophet introduceth Christ, by the spirit of prophecy as looking amazed at the accession of his people unto him, Isaiah 49:20. Thirdly, God's promise is, that all these blessings shall take place in the day of Christ's power. The sovereignty of grace, and the influence of his Spirit, which accompanieth his word, shall make it effectual; so that it shall not return void, but like the rain and the snow, which cometh down from heaven, shall give gracious influences; Isaiah 55:10-11.
- excerpt from Robert Hawker's Poor Man's Commentary on Psalm 110:3
KenH
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Silverhair
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@ken you reject the label Calvinist and say you are a sovereign grace Baptist but as I said a calvinist by any other name is still a calvinist.
So I used AI to look up what views you SGB's hold:
What I found is just calvinism 101.
sgrbcweb.org
sovereigngrace.com
So I used AI to look up what views you SGB's hold:
What I found is just calvinism 101.
Core Beliefs of Sovereign Grace Baptists
Sovereign Grace Baptists hold a distinct set of theological beliefs that shape their faith and practice. Their beliefs can be summarized in the following key areas:Authority of Scripture
- The Bible is regarded as the infallible Word of God.
- It serves as the sole authority for faith and practice.
Doctrines of Grace
- Emphasis on the sovereignty of God in salvation.
- Belief in the total depravity of man, meaning all are sinful by nature.
- Affirmation of unconditional election, where God chooses individuals for salvation.
- Limited atonement, indicating that Christ's sacrifice was specifically for the elect.
- Irresistible grace, meaning those chosen by God will inevitably come to faith.
- Perseverance of the saints, ensuring that true believers will remain in faith until the end.
Centrality of the Gospel
- The gospel of Jesus Christ is central to their worship and community life.
- They believe in the necessity of faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.
Confessional Standards
- Adherence to the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith, which outlines their doctrinal commitments.
- This confession reflects their historical and theological roots within the Reformed tradition.
Worship and Community Life
- Worship is characterized by a high view of God and is centered around biblical truths.
- They aim to cultivate a community that reflects their beliefs in practice, emphasizing sound doctrine and faithful witness.
KenH
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I will tell you quite forthrightly, Ben, that I am a stupid person, I am an idiot.
I am thankful that God saved me based on Christ having met all of the conditions for my salvation, for I certainly could not have met not one condition if laid on me to perform by my wretched, vile, flesh.
KenH
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I hold to the Word of God, the gospel of Christ, and not to a man-made philosophy.
Ben1445
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This smells of false humility for the sake of the discussion.
Your previous comments don’t reflect your sudden humility.
KenH
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Excepting for the section, "Confessional Standards", that is the teaching of God's Word, the gospel of Christ.
At Grace Baptist Church of Ruston, Louisiana, I don't recall the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith, or any such thing as that, ever being mentioned.
KenH
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Well, if you had spent certain times around me in my house, you would know better, as to what my opinion is of myself. Being old and living alone, I talk to myself a lot; well, and to my dogs, too.
Silverhair
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Ken you view of God made them willing is not supported by the text. You have to read that view into the words.
Psa 110:3 Your people H5971 shall be volunteers H5071 In the day H3117 of Your power H2428; In the beauties H1926 of holiness H6944, from the womb H7358 of the morning H4891, You have the dew H2919 of Your youth H3208.
H5071
- Original: נדבה
- Transliteration: N@dabah
- Phonetic: ned-aw-baw’
- Definition:
1. voluntariness, free-will offering
a. voluntariness
b. freewill, voluntary, offering
The Hebrew [ nªdaabowt (H5071)] is 'thy people of (or, are) free-will gifts.' 'A people of free-will gifts' is a people freely consecrating themselves to the Lord. - The parallel passage which David had in mind was Jdg_5:2; Jdg_5:9, "when the people willingly offered themselves" - namely, as soldiers for the war in the cause of the Lord and Israel. So 2Ch_17:16. So here it is for the battle of God Almighty that willing soldiers offer themselves to serve under Messiah against the enemy, both in the present "good fight of faith" (1Ti_6:12), and in the final and decisive conflict (Rev_19:14; Rev_16:14 : cf. Isa_66:20; Rom_12:1). Jamieson, Fausset, Brown
KenH
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Yes, it is.