God created all things, the universe and the earth in 6 days, about 6000 years – the Bible and real

The concept of a dome was never in the Hebrew nor Greek. That was a human construct added by the "catholic" church. The King James was correct calling it a firmament and not a dome. Firmament does not mean dome, hence a totally different English word.

How can a dome be a second "floor" to creation? Has any one made multiple story buildings where all the top floors were called domes? A floor is always flat, not a dome.

 

That is Genesis 2:4 to be precise for the topic of the re-enactment of the 6th day of creation but in more detail for where the generations of mankind had come from.

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, 5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Now think about that. How can there be not a man to till the ground after we just read the first creation account in Genesis 1:1-2:3? BTW Scriptures did not come with numbered chapters or numbered verses and so the actual first creation account starts from Genesis 1:1 and then ends in2:3

Actually the description of Genesis 2:1-3 is how the Lord rested from all His creation in Genesis 1:1-2:3 on the 7th day.

Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Now what does that means? It took Him six days to create everything for Him to rest on the 7th day. If it took Him longer than actual 6 days of creating everything, then He could not say in His words that He rested on the 7th day from all He has made.

That means Genesis 1:1 is the topic and the following verses from Genesis 1:2 to Genesis 2:3 was how God did all that in 6 days to rest on the 7th day.

No, because you would have to explain why in His words, there was not a man to till the ground in Genesis 2:5. There is no way for you to align the verses in Genesis 2:4 onward to your point of view when verse 5 derails it completely.

Genesis 1:1 is a general summary of the topic for the readers to know and Genesis 1:2 all the way to 2:3 was how God did that in Genesis 1:1 for Him to rest on the 7th day from all that He has made.

That is the typical erroneous reading that is a false teaching as handed down through the history of the churches, but not everyone read the 2 creation accounts in that way. Even Biblical scholars do err thinking that God created the heavens and the earth in verse 1 and then all of a sudden, He created light to do what, if the heavens and the earth was already there?

He created light for one purpose. To establish the beginning of creation by that first day with the evening and morning that first 24 hour day for Him to rest on the 7th day of creation week from all that He has made in that 6 days of creation.

So you are reading it wrong as Genesis 1:1 is an overall topic and the following verses from Genesis 1:2 all the way to Genesis 2:3 is how God did it in Genesis 1:1 for Him to rest on the 7th day from all that He has made.

 

So what exactly happened on day 3?

Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

I read God commanded all the water to be one place when He laid the foundation of the earth on the 3rd day.

What would be the point of that if the flat earth was already there on Day 2?

Plus, you have to explain when & how the earth actually became circular in that creation week in following that line of "educated reasoning from the commentaries".

Did you note how God did not say it was good on the 2nd day? But on the 3rd day He did because I believe in His words that was when He got done creating the earth that 3rd day for Him to say it was good.

So explain why God did not say it was good on the 2nd day if it wasn't just as I read it to be, the beginning of the creation of the earth with that firmament called gravity dividing the waters from the water creating a water planet from the upper atmosphere.

 

Several things that you are missing about the first 2 chapters. These are not 2 separate creation accounts. Chapter 2 does not re-state the events of chapter 1.

Then you claim Genesis 1:2-31 describe verse 1. That is an erroneous view.

For all we know, creation could just be a square box. In the first verse everything that was necessary was in that box, but had no form and was void as God declared. We have literally no concept of what was empty and what was solid, because over the next 6 days God formed and shaped everything that was in place at the very beginning. All of the atomic structure for everything existed in verse 1, and God formed everything over the next 6 days as God gave form to everything, that would then exist from the day it was formed.

The very first day was God splitting the light, a new form, from the darkness that was having no form and void. There was 12 hours of darkness and 12 hours of light. Evening and then morning was the first day. So on and so forth, each preceding 24 hour day.

The Sabbath was a thousand year period, a Day of the Lord, just like the last Day of the Lord will be for a thousand years. That is why in Genesis 2 it says day as in singular of creation. The first 6 days was the first 6 days of a thousand year period, and then God planted the Garden of Eden, after the Sabbath Day, a thousand years later. 6,000 years is the punishment placed on Adam because God only took 6 days to create to completion, creation itself.

That is why God will have a Sabbath of rest that is also a thousand years long after mankind's 6,000 year punishment of labor.

You are also wrong about this verse:

"for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

This does not mean there were no humans on the earth. It means no one was punished with tilling the ground, until Adam disobeyed God. That was the punishment given to Adam and his descendants.

"Cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

Adam was the cause of humans becoming farmers and tillers of the ground.

During the Sabbath God set it up so a few things would happen forever, had Adam never disobeyed God.

1. No rain. Meaning no weather and no seasons.

2. Nothing died. No seed from any plants nor trees ever entered the ground to produce new plants. Nothing wild, and nothing planted by humans. Literally for over a thousand years, nothing sprang from the ground, wild nor domestic, because no one ever tilled the earth, until Adam disobeyed God. No evolution of plant or tree life because everything was in the same spot until Adam disobeyed God, and then death happened, and instead of eating the seeds and fruit, the seeds and fruit had to go into the ground to produce more plants and trees, because now they all would die.

3. No insects, birds, animals, nor sons of God ever died. They multiplied upon the face of the earth eating every seed and fruit. The insects, birds, animals and sons of God had generations of life for a thousand years while God rested.

That is what Genesis 1 and 2 tells us:

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so."

"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

Nothing new could grow, because all the seeds and fruit were what the rest of creation ate as meat. You do realize that it would be over 2500 years after the first week of creation before it would even rain, and there were seasons? The Flood was the first weather event of the entire earth.

Chapter 2 is describing life without death. Nothing new happened with plants and trees, until God planted the Garden of Eden a thousand years later, and took one of the sons of God, whom God named Adam and placed that son of God into the Garden of Eden a thousand years after Adam was formed from the dust of the ground. Or like everything, which was formed from the elements that came into existence in Genesis 1:1, the instant God created the heaven and the earth. The elements were there, Adam was just formed on the 6th day like the stars were formed on the 4th day. From material already in creation.

Another thing about creation is the the water above the firmament was not for protection. All the stars today existed between the water above the firmament and the earth. There is nothing from the stars that could harm life on earth, and our oceans today, used to be the water above those stars. Of course Genesis is totally foreign to human science. Most everything about science is wrong if Genesis is literal and true. We literally have no understanding of heaven or even how far away Paradise is, that is now the Garden with the tree of life with all the physical aspects of earth, but on the other side of the firmament. If there is still water up there, then the Garden may have an ocean surrounding it, or lakes, and rivers. But no one thinks anything physical can exist on the other side of the firmament. At one time is was just water, and then the Flood happened, and the Garden of Eden was no longer on the earth.

Paul described going there as:

"How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Why are we forbidden to know what goes on in Paradise? Why are even the elect deceived by Satan when it comes to the first 5 books of the OT?

 

Then explain why there was no man to till the ground in Genesis 2:5.

 

Genesis 2:6, But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Genesis 1:9-13,
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day.

 

@timtofly

Wrong verse. I cited verse 5 whereas you quoted verse 6 if you were replying to my post # 85

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. < --- your verse

That verse 5 is why I see genesis 2:4 and onward as describing in detail on what had happened on that 6th day of creation but in more detail.

There were no other man and woman created before Adam and Eve since Adam's woman was named eve for this reason.

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

That is why I am highlighting Genesis 2:4 to you @timtofly as that is the topic for the e-enactment of the 6th day of creation to explain to the readers where we had all come from.

Goes to point;

Genesis 1:1 is a general summary of what God has done and Genesis 1:2 all the way to Genesis 2:3 is how God did all that in Genesis 1:1.

That means the earth nor the heavens was created yet in that first day of creation since it took God 2 days, the 2nd and the 3rd day to create the earth and then the heavens in the 4th day.

All that was created the first day was the beginning of time by that light with its evening and morning that first day.

Biblical scholars err by applying the meaning of Jeremiah 4:23 as if it means the same thing in Genesis 1:2 and it does not.

Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. 23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.

In the context of the reading, the meaning is clear as it speaks of a change by the emptying thereof. There are verses testifying to this. It was inhabited. And then it was not.

But that is not the message in Genesis 1:2 when the earth was being created in 2 days, on the 2nd & 3d day and then the heavens the 4th day.

And for God to rest from all He has made in those literal 6 days on the 7th day in Genesis 2:1-3, then God did all of that in Genesis 1:1 in 6 days for Him to rest on the 7th day.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

That means the earth was not there in the first day. all that was there, was water.

 

Simple.

Water was in Genesis 1:2 before Genesis 1:3-5 the first Earth day.

Genesis 1:2, And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Genesis 1:3-5, And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

The typical YEC denial begins with the first Earth day, if not, then before the first Earth day.





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