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  1. JonShaff

    My Theology (6/24h Day Creation, Pre-Trib Pre-Mill, Provisionist, Inerrant Word of God believer)

    It’s a term some have coined that means not Calvinist and not Arminian. Leighton Flowers uses it a lot I believe. Or maybe it’s best understood—all the correct points that Calvinism asserts and all the correct points Arminian assert
  2. JonShaff

    Any Here exposed to the Apostolic reformation movement?

    Missio is the Latin connection to apostolos.
  3. JonShaff

    Any Here exposed to the Apostolic reformation movement?

    I’m thankful we have some agreement . God bless you and may He cause His grace to multiply to you!
  4. JonShaff

    Any Here exposed to the Apostolic reformation movement?

    The Bible is clear about the gifts and calling of an apostle. You are ripping pages of Scripture out. Once again, the onus is on you to prove that they have stopped.
  5. JonShaff

    How is the Wrath Of the Father Appeased if Not PST Atonement?

    So you’re saying His soul died on the cross? But physically he did not die yet, and that’s how God poured out His wrath? On His soul?
  6. JonShaff

    How is the Wrath Of the Father Appeased if Not PST Atonement?

    You do realize Christ calls God His father and commends His spirit to Him as well right? Also, He asks His father to forgive those who put him on the cross. That doesn’t sound like He was forsaken.
  7. JonShaff

    How is the Wrath Of the Father Appeased if Not PST Atonement?

    “It’s there” “where?” “right there” “show me” “there, it’s right there.” ok
  8. JonShaff

    How is the Wrath Of the Father Appeased if Not PST Atonement?

    The blood was absolutely necessary. Colossians 1:14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. The onus is on you to show where wrath of God was being poured out on His Son.
  9. JonShaff

    How is the Wrath Of the Father Appeased if Not PST Atonement?

    Hebrews 10:5-10 5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, “Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me; 6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. 7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is...
  10. JonShaff

    How is the Wrath Of the Father Appeased if Not PST Atonement?

    Nope, you’re imposing your narrative into the text. Where does it say that God poured out His wrath on His Son? If that were true, you’d be able to find at least one verse.
  11. JonShaff

    How is the Wrath Of the Father Appeased if Not PST Atonement?

    Colossians 1:22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, where does this talk about the wrath of God being poured out on His Son??? I do see where Paul says Christ’s physical death and physical body...
  12. JonShaff

    How is the Wrath Of the Father Appeased if Not PST Atonement?

    That still doesn’t address God pouring out His wrath and condemnation on His Son.
  13. JonShaff

    Any Here exposed to the Apostolic reformation movement?

    Sir, I can’t help someone who chooses not to believe. Read your bible without your biases.
  14. JonShaff

    My Theology (6/24h Day Creation, Pre-Trib Pre-Mill, Provisionist, Inerrant Word of God believer)

    Awesome—I’ll start by encouraging you to throw out your pre trib view. If you need help, just read 2 Thessalonians 1 very slowly.
  15. JonShaff

    How is the Wrath Of the Father Appeased if Not PST Atonement?

    That’s not what is being asked here. He asked about the wrath of God being poured out on His Son. Christ died for our sins, Scripture is clear about that. The onus is on you , or anyone who says Christ bore the wrath of God, to show it from Scripture. and I understand that even punishment of...
  16. JonShaff

    How is the Wrath Of the Father Appeased if Not PST Atonement?

    Or better yet, show it in Scripture.
  17. JonShaff

    Any Here exposed to the Apostolic reformation movement?

    Yes, they were commissioned by the risen Lord. Their ministries are proof of it. The fruit of their ministries express that they were apostles. Apostles are sent ones with a message. They are envoys. They go where there is no gospel access and they lay a foundation of Christ where He is yet to...
  18. JonShaff

    Any Here exposed to the Apostolic reformation movement?

    I looked back at the posts. I’m uncertain what you’re ur asking for more details.
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