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Christ gave Gifts Ephesians 4:11-16 to bring the church into the fullness of Christ. Apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds, and teachers will continue equipping God’s people until His return. The onus is on you my friend to prove otherwise.

Ephesians 4. We can ask him when we get to glory. His work is the fruit of his calling. Put aside your bias for a second and really think about it.

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God doesn’t send pastors into remote villages in Chile. He sends, wait for it, Apostles. And then when a church forms through the Gospel being preached, apostles raise up pastors and then they go off to the next village. Still happens today. It’s happening right now, even without some of...

Praise God—these are powerful passages. They still do not show us that Christ received the wrath of God so we wouldn’t. He suffered and died for sins. But the wrath of God is coming and it is poured out on the unrighteous. 1 Thessalonians 1:10 10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he...

I’m not sure what you’re doing with this passage. I totally agree with it. You’re going to have to explain how this shows that God meted out His wrath on His Son in this passage.

Scripture?

You've created a red herring or avoiding the issue fallacy--No one disagrees that the Scriptures are an incredibly gracious gift from Our Father. And no one is disagreeing that we absolutely need it in order to have specific knowledge of God. You act as if that is what this thread is about...

Not true--God's wrath is still yet to be meted out on the unrighteous. The reason why we do not receive the wrath of God is not because Christ took it for us, it is because Christ has imputed His righteousness to us. The righteous do not receive the wrath of God.

Scripture says there are--the burden of proof is on you my friend to prove otherwise. Ephesians 4 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we...

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i believe God is raising up Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Shepherds and Teachers--He has always been since the ascension of Christ and outpouring of His Holy Spirit.

God's wrath is poured out In the lake of fire for all eternity--Wrath is an eternal characteristic of God, which is demonstrated for all of eternity on the unrighteous. Through Christ's shed blood--and faith in His name--we are counted as Righteous--God doesn't pour out His wrath on the...

We have the Word of God Himself--JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!

And from what i'm gathering, we all do not agree that the Scriptures point to Christ being the supreme in all things. In the same way John points to Christ as the superior, the Scriptures themselves point to Christ being the superior (Think of Jesus' interaction with the Pharisees--"You read...

@Iconoclast Let's boil this down. Let's talk about the "bottom line" What Gift is superior--The Bible or Jesus Christ? One of those is not like the other.

Based on the two threads he started about the gift of Scripture, i conclude he does not.

Oh yes, i'm reading your posts, and they get more odd as i read them.

Except for the fact that the Son of God came and revealed Himself and the Father to us. I'm not certain why you do not understand this--but it's evident that there is a disconnect somewhere.