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Totally agree, and I wouldn't want to add to her situation the guilt of murdering a baby.

Yes, he is talking about a physical body. Because our soul and body need redeeming as well...when does that happen? Paul says we will take on the Image of the Heavenly. This goes beyond simply meaning "body."

No, eternal judgment is the white throne judgment and the subsequent lake of fire. There is wrath to come that will be meted out on an unbelieving world. But God wasn't angry with His Son. He was well pleased with His Son. He delights in His Son. Christ took on himself the wages of sin, death...

In a thread that is now closed, we discussed the realities concerning the narrative in Genesis 1-3. I brought up what Paul said concerning Adam and Christ and the nature of the Resurrection and said I would bring in more context to show Adam was alive physically, but not spiritually. Another...

I believe this is another aspect of the paradoxes found in Scripture. Christ was not under the wrath of God. It actually pleased God to bruise Him probably because of Christ's faithful obedience to the will of God. Isaiah said that the pleasure of the Lord would prosper in His hand. The writer...

I was thinking about this conversation last night and the realities of Christ taking on our sin. One of the best Scriptures that speaks explicitly to that is in 1 Peter: 1 Peter 2:24 (KJV) Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live...

We do not return evil with evil. Raping is evil, murder is evil. We return evil with good...raise the baby, maybe adoption?

Maybe i am, but i still love Jesus and i love you, too! Follow-up to come...

I am not making an argument here, i am just making sure we are clear on what i am REALLY focused on.

I will follow up shortly, maybe tonight? Maybe tomorrow. Point being--Adam's PERSON and BEING was never able to be a LIFE GIVING entity. Only CHRIST. That IS in the Text and I will show it later.

For there record, while i know we are dealing with realities concerning Adam...the focal point is that Adam was never meant to do what only Christ could do--birth the New and Eternal Creation. It is all about King Jesus and the Splendor of His Glory! Adam did not "Fail", he was part of the Plan...

:Speechless :Speechless I think we agree here :)

1 Corinthians 15 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

This has a lot going on here lol!!! We need to be "born again" because everyone is born physically, but we need to be "Born Spiritually". Christ is the ONLY ONE who was born both Physically and Spiritually (He IS LIFE--GOD).

It is existent--but no communion/union No, it means they are not spiritually alive--no communion/fellowship with Christ.

I'll let @JonC speak for himself and clarify, but i believe this is the gist of what he is saying Adam was born with flesh, Soul, spirit--one that was not "Spiritual". It was not "union-ized" With Christ. Because Adam sinned, Judgment came upon all the world. One of those Judgments was death...

This is the Crux of the matter. When we say, "Let's Talk about the Fall of Man and...." all sorts of thoughts flood our mind. The Question is, How many of those thoughts have we developed because of our own personal study and how many of those thoughts were simply absorbed from other people...

I like what is said here. I'm with @JonC... It's not that these narratives that we create are evil per se, but they prevent the Child of God from receiving what Revelation God wants to reveal because they were steeped in a tradition's narrative about a doctrinal position. In other words...

Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. You know, I hear many people break down Romans 5, but very few try to explain this passage.

@JonC This means I do not have to make up a theory for Christ dying spiritually to pay for my sins.