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Here's how it works. one sinful lump of humanity. God is no respecter of persons. So he arbitrarily selects a portion to display the glory of His wrath through. From the rest of the same sinful lump, He displays the glory of His mercy. If not arbitrarily selected, why did He choose you?

We'll see how you do in the next round.

I certainly do. Just trying to share the blessing with you and others.

If God regarded any of us as something, we would share his glory. Let Him knock us down to where we belong. Our only value is in Christ's blood in the limited atonement sense.

Kill off the weak and go out to infect the rest?

Certainly, you know better than this.

You have it exactly backward. The new birth happens in the elect before they can believe in Christ. It creates His presence in their hearts causing them to believe. Based on that experience.

Unless Born Again, any works are phony.

It depends on your objective. If you want a higher degree, there are plenty of diploma mills on the Net. I debated a guy with a TH.D from one of them. But if you want to learn, order one of the textbooks they use for the course you are most interested in and check it out. I did this long ago and...

We'll see how you guys do when the next round hits.

Please understand that salvation happens when you cannot perceive the true Christ. And only because of the New Birth are your eyes opened. All the works follow salvation. They never cause it.

If I thought I wasn't wasting my time, I'd be more than happy to expose Pentecostalism in a thread for that purpose.

“And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?” Daniel 4:35 (KJV 1900)

same lump = arbitrary choice.

You are way off the rails on this. Same lump/people appointed to wrath/ people appointed to salvation/ = God's arbitrary choice for His glory. In time the same reprobate and saved showed up in Israel. Both reveal His wrath and Mercy. Just as today. Christian Israel reveals His mercy. Pagan...

It was being passed around. They existed as soon as written.

But you make LOVE a phony work. For me, it's a loving heart God produced in the New Birth. So it's what I do along with breathing and other natural dispositions. “And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and...

But if you don't you are not saved. This is works salvation. Grace salvation happens when God creates a new heart in you, often against your will like with Paul. And your new nature then causes you to believe and repent based on that experience.

It means you save yourself.

If God is no respecter of persons, election is purely arbitrary. That is, you had nothing to do with your damnation in Adam. You had nothing to do with your salvation in Christ. All you can say is "If you believe in Christ, God saved you".