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  1. Protestant

    Christ's Atoning Death on the Cross

    PT, I am returning to your previous responses since I have not yet read a response to my assertion that Christ our High Priest prays and makes atonement only for those given Him by the Father, the rest of the ‘world’ is excluded by the eternal, immutable decree of God. Re: ability to not sin...
  2. Protestant

    Christ's Atoning Death on the Cross

    Excellent question. First, I assume you agree that Christ’s prayer in John 17 was spoken just before He was taken to be crucified. You must agree that it was the ‘high priestly’ prayer of Christ acting in the office of High Priest. Yes? You agree that Christ was praying for the salvation...
  3. Protestant

    Christ's Atoning Death on the Cross

    PT, I appreciate the time you have taken to answer my previous 4 questions. Rather than continue the discussion on those points, I would like to deal with what I believe is the ‘heart of the matter’ as indicated by the above quotation of yours. When a sane man makes a plan to achieve an...
  4. Protestant

    False Christs

    With the advent of numerous English language Bibles published by the Protestants in the 16th century, many of them annotated, as well as the proliferation of Protestant commentaries on the Revelation denoting the Pope Antichrist, his church Mystery Babylon, the French Jesuits took up the...
  5. Protestant

    Christ's Atoning Death on the Cross

    PT, thanks for starting a thread which deals with the issues begun on a previous thread which closed. You said, “we believe God allows man to accept or reject Him.” I’d like to stay focused on this statement because it contains several assumptions which are in contention. I will address...
  6. Protestant

    Exposing False teaching about Jesus Christ !

    But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being...
  7. Protestant

    Exposing False teaching about Jesus Christ !

    PT, you state, "His death is the atonement for us." Who is the 'us'? The reason I ask is that I was under the distinct impression you believe Scripture teaches Christ died universally for every person who ever lived. If that is the case, then Christ's death did not actually atone...
  8. Protestant

    Exposing False teaching about Jesus Christ !

    I was an unbeliever until regeneration, and as such I was under God's condemnation: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. I was also under God's wrath: he that...
  9. Protestant

    Exposing False teaching about Jesus Christ !

    YES How do I know that to be true? I was a willing adherent of Satan, my master. Holiness and the love of Christ was not in the least bit a part of my heart's desire. It wasn't until the wonder-working power of the blood of Christ was personally applied by the Holy Spirit that I was...
  10. Protestant

    Exposing False teaching about Jesus Christ !

    PT, what did Christ's death 'effect'? In what way did Christ's resurrection and ascension 'complete' our salvation?
  11. Protestant

    False Christs

    In a brilliant display of biblical discernment, Pastor DHK has rightly identified Mystery Babylon using several cogent proofs. He concludes his arguments using the testimony of English Puritan John Trapp: In other words, Trapp understood the impossibility that LITERAL dead bodies lay in the...
  12. Protestant

    Why so much Angst About Limited atonement?

    Protestant wrote: “God the Father has given a people to His Son.” But no one believes on Christ unless Christ first prays for them, then dies for them, then applies the gifts of the Spirit to them that they could become one with Christ and the Father. I agree that young children would...
  13. Protestant

    Why so much Angst About Limited atonement?

    Pastor, I am again stunned at this statement. If the teaching found in the Epistle to the Romans does not relate to all Christians of all ages then we need discard the Bible and determine doctrine based on our personal feelings, interpreting Scripture according to the climate of the times in...
  14. Protestant

    Why so much Angst About Limited atonement?

    Pastor, I was quite stunned at your statement. Intercessory prayer is the act of praying on behalf of others. Christ prayed for others while on Earth, on the cross, and is now in Heaven praying for the Elect. Examples on Earth: But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may...
  15. Protestant

    Why so much Angst About Limited atonement?

    Further Elaboration on Christ’s Intercession Christ’s intercession on behalf of those given Him by the Father is an integral aspect of His office as their High Priest. It is this intercession which is elaborated in John 17 (pre-cross), Luke 23:34 (on the cross), and Romans 8:32-34...
  16. Protestant

    Why so much Angst About Limited atonement?

    Pastor, there is nothing contradictory in Jesus’ High Priest prayer before His crucifixion, during His crucifixion, and after His resurrection. In verse 9 of John 17 Jesus prays: I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. Since...
  17. Protestant

    Why so much Angst About Limited atonement?

    Pastor, please do not disregard his High Priestly prayer before He was taken to be crucified. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh...
  18. Protestant

    The Israel of God

    The issue is not the return of Christ, the raising of the dead and the catching up of the living saints. This is plainly taught in Scripture. Rather, the issue concerns the timing. Nowhere in Scripture do we find a pre-tribulation ‘secret’ rapture of the saints. Scripture clearly...
  19. Protestant

    The Israel of God

    Darrell, you are TOO self-effacing. You are NOT at the head of the list. Near, perhaps, but not the top. :>) I will say, with all due respect, you have an annoying tendency to attribute to me ignorance of evident scriptural truths with which I have never indicated ignorance or unbelief. An...
  20. Protestant

    The Israel of God

    Fair enough. You DO, however, hold to the theory that all Christians worldwide will escape the ‘Great Tribulation.’ Several pertinent and logical questions arise as to the validity of such a theory. 1. Unless the history of the Church has no relevance to a serious Christian thinker such as...
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