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Then “sin” doesn’t exist, and there’s nothing we need to be saved from. Why would God’s son have to die to save us from doing God’s will?

Let’s say that I’m questioning the whole soul-in-hades narrative. And if the thief on the cross wasn’t going to paradise that day, the only thing in the Bible that appears to uphold the soul-in-hades narrative is the story of the rich man and Lazarus, which is partial parable, at least. And...

That’s a different thread topic, and “evil” is too broad: Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things]. But in general, sin is something other entities do against God’s will. God neither tempts nor forces anyone to...

I assume this rather substantial red herring is because you don’t have any answer to my original question??

I didn’t say they were, though the kjv translators disagree with you. I just asked if you could reread my post replacing “hell” with “hades”. Is that outside of your capabilities?

Gordon Clark just made God the author of sin in that statement. He’s a consistent Calvinist, but he’s not consistent with most Calvinistic confessions, which are internally inconsistent on this point. I applaud him for his consistency, while I reject his theology.

Is that a problem? For instance, is 2+2=4 a true statement in an atheist universe, assuming one could exist? Of course it is. Non moral concepts don’t require a moral arbiter to be true. Another way to look at it is to ask, now back within a Christian universe, is a murderer guilty without a...

You seem to have a hard time staying on topic. Whether hell or hades, the concept is the same. Please reread my post replacing “hell” with “hades”.

@Dave Gilbert I didn’t doubt your answer, but what I’ve put forward is that you are inconsistent with your answer. Calvinism, despite confessional attempts to the contrary, has God deciding what each and every person will do prior to that person existing, so God must be deciding what they are...

You missed the point. “Today” in the interpretation I offered is describing the time of Jesus’ statement, rather than the time the thief would be with Jesus again.

Actually, Acts 2:27, in context, shows it to be an invalid assumption. Here it is with vs 29: Acts 2:27-29 (KJV) 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of...

Would you please explain what that has to do with my contention that those verses say nothing about time being created? Here’s another example. Truth. Is truth created? Or is truth a concept that is applied to statements or events? If “truth” was created, then before truth existed, did God...

. I’m not doubting the scripture, just the interpretation. For instance, what if the comma, not in the Greek, were moved. Then it says, Luke 23:43 And he said to him, “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise.”

The story never says Lazarus was in or went to Hades. only the rich man. The great gulf could be the border/ boundary of Hades. It's an assumption to say Lazarus and Abraham were in Hades. It might be a valid assumption, but an assumption none-the-less.

Please don't forget this one: [1Ti 4:10 KJV] 10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. How can God be the savior of those that don't believe?? I can think of a couple ways. 1. The...

Then you would reject any theology that has God causing men to sin?

No. I’m merely saying those verses say nothing about God creating time.

How does He factor something that happens as a result of another agent, one that doesn’t yet exist? He either knows what they will do (Arminianism) or He decrees what they will do (Calvinism).

And God decided which He would rescue before they existed, right? And which He would leave in their sins before they existed. And decided which would then be in hell, before they had sinned. So God must not be making that decision based on what they do of their own will, but His will. Therefore...

Yes, I agree—God created clocks. But time is not a creation, but an acknowledgement of sequential actions! God acts in sequence.