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  1. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    That's a little like saying that I need to believe in the Rapture, for it is a (supposedly) future event. Our Blessed Hope is in Christ, not what kind of body we will have or whether He will take us all away.
  2. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    While 1 Cor. 15:50-57 speaks about our resurrected bodies, it doesn't necessarily mean a physical body. Of course, it doesn't mean a spiritual body, either. All we know for sure is that our new bodies will not perish. Does it really make a difference what we believe about the nature of our...
  3. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    There are different ways in which we may be "like Him". Note that John tells us that "it has not appeared as yet what we will be". Maybe in purity, or some other way. My point is that if we were definitely going to have a new physical body, this is where John had the opportunity to let us know.
  4. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    For the sake of our discussion, I'll assume that it may have been around as early as the 1st Century. So was Preterism. I'm pretty sure the Rapture was invented by Darby.
  5. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    I am not from Missouri, but you will still have to show me where a belief in being physically resurrected is necessary for salvation. On a related note - As I understand it, Christians go to Heaven when they die. When Christ returns, will every Christian who has died in the Faith receive a new...
  6. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    Which Scriptures tell you that national Israel goes through the tribulation for the purpose of meeting Jesus as the Messiah? While I'm not sure about the history of Full Preterism, the "futurist" doctrine that is so popular today has only been around since the 1830s.
  7. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    Can you support that claim with any writings from the early Church Fathers? Preterism has always been an orthodox view.
  8. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    Christianity is based on the bodily resurrection of Jesus. Full Preterists completely agree with that. The future bodily resurrection of the saints may be a historic view, but it's not a "salvation" issue.
  9. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    If the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in AD 70 truly was "no big deal", why did Jesus bother to predict it? You seem to have trouble grasping what Paul's comments about how there is no Jew nor Greek, male nor female, etc. in Christ. Of course these distinctions exist. Paul is saying...
  10. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    Although some claim that the early church had the same futuristic view that is popular today, there is a lack of clear historical documentation to support this claim. Clement of Alexandria placed the Abomination of Desolation (Daniel's 70th Week) in the time of Nero. Clement of Rome had the...
  11. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    Exactly. Biblical error - such as reading a specific doctrine into a passage - will keep you from understanding what the text actually does say.
  12. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    Revelation 1:7 refers specifically to those who had Him killed.
  13. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    For those who do believe in Preterism ( whether full or partial), the modern "futurist" views are beyond logic. Either @asterisktom or I could recommend several sources to help you understand why it does make perfect sense. At the very least, we could explain it in layman's terms. Just a...
  14. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    2 John 1:9 is about following the teachings of Christ, and walking according to His commandments. This has nothing to do with one's eschatological views. That could become a slippery slope regarding anyone who has a different view of any doctrine. Acts 1:11, 1 John 3:2 and Titus 2:13 are just...
  15. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    Thanks, Brother David.
  16. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    Why not "full" preterism? Is it so important to believe in a physical return of Christ? I thought the main thing is that we place our faith in Christ Jesus. It's not like they are from a cult. Just a different eschatological view.
  17. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    I'm sorry. I should have included passages earlier. Isaiah chapters 13 through 27 speak of His coming judgment on several nations. Chapter 13 concerns Babylon; Moab's judgment is pronounced in chapter 15, Damascus is the subject of chapter 17. Each of these passages use symbolic language to...
  18. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    That is no different from a Preterist saying that "Futurists" just apply a double-fulfillment, or that He changes the time frame during His answer. This seems to really come down to how one interprets the passages. Since there are so many different eschatological views, we can be thankful that...
  19. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    Thank you for you kind words, Brother. I didn't take it personally, as I realize you are very passionate about "rightly discerning the word". If you don't mind my asking, why would Christ coming in judgment have to be literal? I ask because of all the times when God came in judgment in the...
  20. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    There are NO passages that ever state the date when God came in judgment upon a nation. Jesus did say that they (His disciples) would see the Temple's destruction, which did happen in AD 70. This was at the end of the Jewish War (AD 66-70). Do you have a passage that points to this? If the...
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